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re: Congrats to Bertman and O'keefe for the above avg program

Posted on 12/5/09 at 5:51 pm to
Posted by Stevo
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Posted on 12/5/09 at 5:51 pm to
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Most of the top coaching prospects had already gotten jobs because Saban waited so late to announce his departure. Jack Del Rio was also interested but couldn't talk to us due to contract restrictions until his team was out of the playoffs. We hired Miles on a Friday and the Jaguars lost that Sunday.


If JDR wanted the job, the message would've been sent. Anyway, he's hardly a sure thing at the college level, but would have been way more popular hire.
Posted by Choupique19
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Posted on 12/5/09 at 5:51 pm to
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There was no one available worthy of Nick Saban money


Nick Saban wasn't available until Emmert gave him the right price. When we announced that we weren't paying Nick Saban money, most of the top coaches lost interest. Saban made a commitment to hire the best he could find, O'Keefe and Bertman made a commitment to go bargain shopping.
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 12/5/09 at 5:55 pm to
Lsu sure did a bargain didn't they?
Posted by Stevo
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 12/5/09 at 5:57 pm to
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When we announced that we weren't paying Nick Saban money, most of the top coaches lost interest.


first of all, we never announced that we weren't going to pay Nick Saban money under any circumstances. You can write it to make you feel better, but it's just not true. Fact is that there were no interested coaches worthy of Nick Saban type money, so we weren't going to pay that kind of money for the sake of paying it. Even now, there are only 5 or so proven coaches at D1 level, and none would come to LSU.
Posted by sstig
Houston
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Posted on 12/5/09 at 6:03 pm to
Well said Stevo, some on this board think that Bear would rather have coached at LSU but his wife just does not like purple.
Posted by drizztiger
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Posted on 12/5/09 at 6:09 pm to
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Well stated.

This.
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Sticky

This.

Great post.
Posted by Stevo
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Posted on 12/5/09 at 6:11 pm to
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Great post.


Not this. He lied.
Posted by drizztiger
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Posted on 12/5/09 at 6:16 pm to
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Not this. He lied.

Stanley didn't want a Saban type. He bottom barreled LSU.
Posted by Stevo
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 12/5/09 at 6:20 pm to
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Stanley didn't want a Saban type. He bottom barreled LSU.


yeah, all part if his master plan to destroy LSU.
Posted by Choupique19
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Posted on 12/5/09 at 6:20 pm to
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Not this. He lied.


Not lying. He said that we are not going to be paying Nick Saban-type money at the start of the contract, but that the new coach will have a chance to earn a raise.
Posted by panzer
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 12/5/09 at 6:21 pm to
I don't know if it's true, but rumors were that Saban wanted his old job back.

No way to fire Miles etc. so he's kicking the shite out of florida decked out in red.

Don't you love five year contracts?
Posted by drizztiger
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Posted on 12/5/09 at 6:23 pm to
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yeah, all part if his master plan to destroy LSU.

No it was a plan to pad his ego. He hated Saban.

And then he let Saban walk all over him when Nick was flying around on WH's Dolphins jet. Let Nick take until Christmas to make a decision. Then let Nick coach in the Cap One bowl.

Stanley was a great baseball coach.
Posted by hashtag
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Posted on 12/5/09 at 6:23 pm to
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No way to fire Miles etc.


Miles was in the middle of winning a National Championship. We weren't trying to "fire Miles". They were sending out flyers in the event that Miles left for Michigan.
Posted by hashtag
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Posted on 12/5/09 at 6:25 pm to
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And then he let Saban walk all over him when Nick was flying around on WH's Dolphins jet. Let Nick take until Christmas to make a decision. Then let Nick coach in the Cap One bowl.


FWIW, word is that Nick was actually still contemplating the decision and that Stanley told him to not let the door hit him on the way out. No link, just word.
Posted by montana
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 12/5/09 at 6:26 pm to
Nick Saban was not LSU's first choice. LSU was turned down by their first choice, which made the LSU people open the check book when they got to Lansing. The options were getting pretty slim. No one had any idea Nick Saban was the coach he currently is.

Saban had a few old DiNardo coaches on his staff at Mich. St. who informed Saban that Louisiana was a gold mine for recruiting.

I'm not defending the Miles hire, but I bet Bertman was hopping for another diamond in the ruff.

There were only a couple of men on the plane the day it took off from BR to find a replacement for DiNardo and one has died. It's a great story.

Someone needs to start a thread and ask how happy they were the day Nick Saban was announced as our next coach. 95% will say they had never heard of him.

Everyone wanted Dennis Erickson.
Posted by Stevo
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Posted on 12/5/09 at 6:27 pm to
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He said that we are not going to be paying Nick Saban-type money at the start of the contract, but that the new coach will have a chance to earn a raise.


He never said this as a prerequisite to the search. Again, there were no interested coaches worthy of Nick Saban type money, so we weren't going to pay that kind of money for the sake of paying it. If there was such interest, Skip would have paid. The search was a month later than most college coaching searches, and the candidate pool was limited. It's ok for you to hate Miles, but you don't have to make shite up to do it. There's enough real stuff out there.
Posted by hashtag
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Posted on 12/5/09 at 6:27 pm to
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Someone needs to start a thread and ask how happy they were the day Nick Saban was announced as our next coach. 95% will say they had never heard of him.

Everyone wanted Dennis Erickson.

truth
Posted by hashtag
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Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 12/5/09 at 6:31 pm to
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He never said this as a prerequisite to the search. Again, there were no interested coaches worthy of Nick Saban type money, so we weren't going to pay that kind of money for the sake of paying it. If there was such interest, Skip would have paid. The search was a month later than most college coaching searches, and the candidate pool was limited. It's ok for you to hate Miles, but you don't have to make shite up to do it. There's enough real stuff out there


I agree that it was poor timing and a tough time to hire. The problem I have with the hire is this. If you would've ranked every head coach of all 119 NCAA teams based on their records and what they have acheived, Les Miles would not have been in the top 25. I'm guessing that he probably wasn't in the top 50. He was a very average coach at OSU that had won nothing but a few "mean nothing" games against Oklahoma. So, let's say that Les was the 26th most qualified coach (I think that is being generous) to take over as head coach, what does he become when you start considering coordinators that could get a shot?

The biggest problem I have with the Les hire is that it ever got down to him. I seriously doubt that we were turned down by every coach that was more qualified than Les. And, I doubt we would have been had Stanley approached them (considering the state our program was in at the time).
Posted by Choupique19
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Posted on 12/5/09 at 6:31 pm to
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so we weren't going to pay that kind of money for the sake of paying it.


Well we wouldn't do it in Jan of 2004, but we sure payed it just for the sake of paying it in Dec of 2007. LSU kept Miles from going to Michigan by upgrading his contract before he had even won a SEC Title, LSU panicked.


As for another poster who said that nobody knew Saban was that type of coach, that's not completely true. I remember playing them in 2005. I remember hearing his name coming up for NFL jobs almost every year after that. I had a friend from Mississippi ask me what I thought of him when we hired him, and I said, I don't know everything about him but the NFL sure does love him.
Posted by Stevo
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 12/5/09 at 6:32 pm to
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Someone needs to start a thread and ask how happy they were the day Nick Saban was announced as our next coach. 95% will say they had never heard of him.


Disagree. Most had heard of him simply because he coached MSU in the INDY Bowl and was touted as a solid hire at MSU. Also, when he was first hired here, most were very happy as Nick was known to be a defensive guru and a coach on the rise. Again, the hire was widely touted as a great one for LSU.
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