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re: Compare Paul Maneiri and Brian Kelly
Posted on 9/19/24 at 11:28 am to Ralphiemay
Posted on 9/19/24 at 11:28 am to Ralphiemay
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Poor recruiting effort ?
Top 5 class with a top 3 class incoming. Yeah, that really fricking sucks.
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Posted on 9/19/24 at 11:34 am to 304tiger
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CBK has a loaded recruiting class coming in, due in large part to the new assistants he brought in. But, where was that before? We signed no DTs in his first full year here and mostly 3 star corners. It begs the question, how hungry is he for a national championship? How relentless is he on the recruiting trail?
Do you really think the two year O shite sandwich didn’t have a significant impact on recruiting in 22, but even ripple effects in 23 from broken relationships?
Yeah, the previous defensive staff struggled more than the offensive side if the ball. Where are all of them now? fricking unemployed. They didn’t get it done on the field or the trail and they’re gone. The current staff isn’t having any issues.
Do you think O did a good job setting us up for NIL? If you do, kill yourself. But based on the 25 class and how things are lining up early for future classes, it looks like that’s been addressed.
What more effort or evidence do you want to see that recruiting has been stabilized and is on the rise here?
Some of you will parrot the same old bullshite no matter what evidence is in front of you.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 11:36 am to 304tiger
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CBK has a loaded recruiting class coming in, due in large part to the new assistants he brought in. But, where was that before?
What more did you want out of Kelly?
He made what many thought were good hires. Some of those hires didn't work out and he let them go quickly.
I feel like there is a lot of revisionist history going on with the Matt House situation. After year 1, House was highly regarded and viewed as one of the top DCs in the country. There were threads on the rant with posters being worried about him getting poached by the NFL or other programs.
Unfortunately, the wheels fell off in year 2 and Kelly had to let him go and start over.
This post was edited on 9/19/24 at 11:54 am
Posted on 9/19/24 at 11:41 am to lsu777
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ole miss is raising more than us and has way way more people fund it.
This is 100% false. They aren’t spending and real time or money on HS recruiting because they know it won’t work. They spent EVERYTHING on portal players for this season, most of whom will be gone next year. Most of their top returning portal guys like Dart will also be gone after this season.
We aren’t doing that because we evidently can now afford to pay for elite talent in HS recruiting. You see the evidence in this class. We wouldn’t be top 3 and trying to push for some flips to go higher if we weren’t paying top dollar.
I’m sure Texas, Oregon, A&M, and Miami can money whip anyone in a 1 on 1 battle, but we are still winning a great share of players and a frick ton more than fricking Ole Myth. What are you even talking about there?
Posted on 9/19/24 at 11:41 am to AlwysATgr
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I don't think CBK has ever achieved such high-level stability
You can not like Kelly, but this is just a dumb statement.
Kelly last few years at Notre Dame:
2018 - 12-1 College Football Playoff
2019 - 11-2 Camping World Bowl
2020 - 10-2 College Football Playoff
2021 - 11-1 Fiesta Bowl (Freeman gets Bowl loss)
Posted on 9/19/24 at 11:49 am to Ralphiemay
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Case in point look up the score of the LSU vs South Carolina game in 2020, a terrible year for LSU . We dominated a South Carolina team that was equivalent to the team who nearly beat us last Saturday
We don't know anything about how good or bad this South Carolina team is, yet, to even make this comparison.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 11:56 am to 304tiger
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Year 3 is a different story, but how much of that is attributable to him vs. new hires putting the time in?
The hires have everything to do with this in years 1-3 not just this year. You don’t get to have your argument both ways and blame the head coach for 2 years and then give all the credit to the staff in year 3. It goes both ways all three seasons. Kelly didn’t make good hires for the secondary and didn’t make the right hire to replace Cain, who was the only good initial defensive hire. His choices didn’t get the job done and tee up and hold good enough classes for Kelly to even have a shot to close on. He gets the blame for that. And they are all gone now. If this staff is nailing it on the trail, then Kelly still gets the credit for making the right hires to fix the issues, recruiting included.
Most recruiting down to senior year and up to signing day is primarily handled by the staff at every program. It may vary how much head coaches are directly involved in earlier stages based on their backgrounds (were they lead recruiters earlier in their careers or not), but coordinators and assistants still do most of the early work. To be honest, staff and analysts handle a ton of the day to day communication with recruits all the way to the end. It takes more than the on-field staff to manage all that’s required today.
You just have an ultra-simple view of how recruiting works and you’re trying to prop up a set viewpoint you have with it. It doesn’t work.
This post was edited on 9/19/24 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:00 pm to Ralphiemay
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his transfer portal players have been underwhelming, just like his entire tenure thus far
Name the portal fails in the 23 class. You know, the guys who propped up that entire season? Lacy and Frazier are still key starters today.
fricking hell you have no idea what you are talking about
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:08 pm to John Casey
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He made what many thought were good hires. Some of those hires didn't work out and he let them go quickly.
I don’t think this is a great argument. It’s not his job to make what people think are good hires, it’s his job to make actual good hires. If he gets credit for hires that work out, he gets blame for hires that don’t work out. I mean he had a high school coach out there coaching what used to be DBU.
Fact of the matter is that his bad defensive hires pushed his timeline back a couple of years.
This post was edited on 9/19/24 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:24 pm to Hurricane2020
2024 class and 2025 have not happened. Compare 2023 and 2022 to his predecessors and it’s not impressive.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:31 pm to John Casey
Safe to say they won’t be anywhere near top 10 or even a contender for the cfp.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:35 pm to misey94
Lacy dropped 50 percent of all passes before this season fig . Think of the secondary misses - chestnut , 3 from Ohio st . Also Frazier was arse all last season , definitely the weakest link on the OL . So nice argument to name the worst OL and Lacy last season as good examples . Good job douche . Tells me how much you actually know .
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:39 pm to Ralphiemay
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2024 class and 2025 have not happened. Compare 2023 and 2022 to his predecessors and it’s not impressive.
The 2024 class signed in Dec of 2023 and this Feb, dumbass. The 25 class will sign this year and early next year. The class is always labeled with the year they will start play.
The 23 and 24 classes were top 7 industry avg (both were top 5 in at least one service), which is typical for prime years with Miles and O.
Again, you don’t know what you are talking about. You don’t even seem to have grasp on the basics of recruiting.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:42 pm to Ralphiemay
This post is worse than anything that Maneiri and Kelly did combo at LSU.
This post was edited on 9/19/24 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:44 pm to misey94
Sorry I’m kind of a recruiting lingo virgin , you know like you are a real life virgin when it comes to girls . Thanks for educating me . Either way , we consistently used to rank top 5 in recruiting and many times had similar rankings with the actual team . Composites of 7 and team rankings out of the top 10 are not impressive here . Also I will gladly take a ban bet with you for life that says there is no way on earth we keep all the 5 stars we currently have committed for this upcoming class .
This post was edited on 9/19/24 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:47 pm to Ralphiemay
Paul Maneiri won a National Championship.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:49 pm to Ralphiemay
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Tells me how much you actually know .
Lacy was still our 3rd best WR last year and made plenty of plays. Has he had issues with hands this season, frickface? Are you going to tell us he sucks
Or isn’t going to be a high draft pick How about Swinson from last year? Defensive player of the week in the SEC this week. Leads the team in sacks. How about Zy Alexander. He’s definitely our best CB. He just happened to get hurt halfway through last year. Logan Diggs was a solid back until he got injured and was on pace for 1,000 yards. He was a better fit in this offense than anyone but Durham today. Anderson came in last season and was still recovering. Joe did he look at USC? How about Zavion Thomas, both as a WR and Punt Returner.
How about the guys you left off from 23- Wingo, Brooks, JB Converse, Garner, and Foucha? How about Daniels? He really sucked last year, right? We don’t win shite in 23 without those guys. fricking hell you are ignorant.
Did we have some portal misses last year- yeah. Have there been more hits than misses- MANY more, as I have clearly demonstrated.
This post was edited on 9/19/24 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:49 pm to nicholastiger
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We haven't seen a competent defense under Kelly yet and PM was not known as a pitching guru, so both depend on making quality hires in the areas they aren't known for.
Brian Kelly was originally a defense mind coach who transitioned to Offense.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:58 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Over Kelly's first two seasons, he's went 12-4 vs the SEC (12-5 with the SECCG loss to UGA), with a much worse roster.
I'm not sure if I buy this. Les Miles was rolling out Danny Etling and Brandon Harris his last few years. We did not have two first round WRs with a potential third in Lacy in Miles last few years. We have two junior OLinemen projected as top 10 picks that have been on roster the whole time BK has been here. Maybe a much worse roster defensively but I don't buy we had a much better roster in Miles' last few years opposed to BK's first couple. We had the freaking Heisman winner on roster while Miles' had dudes that didn't sniff the CFL playing QB. The Patriots tried Etling at WR.
This post was edited on 9/19/24 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 9/19/24 at 1:00 pm to Chicken
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You cannot deny that Kelly inherited a mess
How many years will fans give Kelly a mulligan because he inherited a mess? 3, 5, 7, 10?
Eventually, Kelly is responsible for his own mess that he creates.
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