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re: College football's 10 best, worst coaching contracts
Posted on 6/29/19 at 12:07 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
Posted on 6/29/19 at 12:07 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
And btw who is "WE". The Negatiger peanut gallery cartel, some kids in the basement having kicks, a secret cult of O haters or the group of Bama grad students employed by the shadow group? Can't tell which.
Posted on 6/29/19 at 12:08 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
quote:
Easy answer. Any Power-5 team who hasn't had a Top-10 finish or a Top-10 recruiting class in 10 years.
yeah thats why before lsu he spent 32 years being nothing but a position coach.
Posted on 6/29/19 at 12:09 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
Disagree. UCLA and Wash state should as their HCs limit what they could do. And if things go they way I think it just might they would consider that trade. USC would and should. Stanford and Oregon I agree would not.
Posted on 6/29/19 at 12:10 pm to Canwoodtiger
quote:
And btw who is "WE". The Negatiger peanut gallery cartel, some kids in the basement having kicks, a secret cult of O haters or the group of Bama grad students employed by the shadow group? Can't tell which.
we are the lsu fans that wanted miles gone for constantly losing to bama and multiple other inferior teams while having a shite offense and we have to watch you idiots tell how those same results are now tout worthy.
This post was edited on 6/29/19 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 6/29/19 at 12:12 pm to Rickdaddy4188
What did Dabo do before he got the head gig at Clemson? I will make it easy..(copy and pasted from Wiki).
While completing work on his MBA, Swinney became a graduate assistant at Alabama under Gene Stallings.
In December 1995, Swinney received his MBA from Alabama and became a full-time assistant coach for the Crimson Tide in charge of wide receivers and tight ends.[3] He retained these posts under Stallings' successor, Mike DuBose. He was fired with all of DuBose's staff in early 2001.[4]
Swinney sat out the 2001 season while receiving his contractual payments from Alabama. His former strength coach at Alabama, Rich Wingo, had become president of Birmingham-based AIG Baker Real Estate and offered him a job. From April 2001 through February 2003, he did not coach and instead worked for AIG Baker Real Estate on development projects in Alabama.[4]
Clemson
In 2002, Tommy Bowden—Swinney's former position coach at Alabama— offered him the position of wide receivers coach at Clemson, and Swinney joined in 2003. He also took over as recruiting coordinator from popular longtime coordinator Rick Stockstill. Swinney proved to be both an excellent wide receivers coach as well as recruiting coordinator, coaching ACC-leading receivers and being named one of the nation's top 25 recruiters in 2007 by Rivals.com.[4]
Yep position coach and a recruiting coordinator. Sounds familiar? No O does not have the success as Dabo as only one other active HC has exceeded him. But a coach can end up a HC without being more than position coach or RC. But you know that Ricky. But those facts don't fit your agenda..
While completing work on his MBA, Swinney became a graduate assistant at Alabama under Gene Stallings.
In December 1995, Swinney received his MBA from Alabama and became a full-time assistant coach for the Crimson Tide in charge of wide receivers and tight ends.[3] He retained these posts under Stallings' successor, Mike DuBose. He was fired with all of DuBose's staff in early 2001.[4]
Swinney sat out the 2001 season while receiving his contractual payments from Alabama. His former strength coach at Alabama, Rich Wingo, had become president of Birmingham-based AIG Baker Real Estate and offered him a job. From April 2001 through February 2003, he did not coach and instead worked for AIG Baker Real Estate on development projects in Alabama.[4]
Clemson
In 2002, Tommy Bowden—Swinney's former position coach at Alabama— offered him the position of wide receivers coach at Clemson, and Swinney joined in 2003. He also took over as recruiting coordinator from popular longtime coordinator Rick Stockstill. Swinney proved to be both an excellent wide receivers coach as well as recruiting coordinator, coaching ACC-leading receivers and being named one of the nation's top 25 recruiters in 2007 by Rivals.com.[4]
Yep position coach and a recruiting coordinator. Sounds familiar? No O does not have the success as Dabo as only one other active HC has exceeded him. But a coach can end up a HC without being more than position coach or RC. But you know that Ricky. But those facts don't fit your agenda..
This post was edited on 6/29/19 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 6/29/19 at 12:14 pm to Rickdaddy4188
And oh btw. I respect your passion for the dark side but...
This post was edited on 6/29/19 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 6/29/19 at 12:16 pm to Canwoodtiger
You think Washington State should trade their coach who runs a high powered offense for a Coach who in his third year is still struggling to get a working offense together?
Posted on 6/29/19 at 12:18 pm to Canwoodtiger
Dude. Why are you arguing with these clowns? It's obvious what this thread is for them. I'm new here, but it doesn't take long to understand that the same clowns jump in every thread with the same agenda repeating the same thing over and over.
Posted on 6/29/19 at 12:21 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
Once teams start outscoring them while if O and LSU ends up in the playoffs you think they would not make that trade? If O keeps up the pace and exceeds current expectations why would program not want that unless the culture and personalities are too much of a clash? It is not about points scored.. IT IS ABOUT WINNING AND RECRUITING!!! There was a time when LSU and Les could win 9-6 and 13-10 but those days are over. Still what is more valuable.. beauty contests on offense or total record, bowl wins and ability to compete for championships? Not hard to understand unless you want to make it for some sick reason.
Posted on 6/29/19 at 12:22 pm to Canwoodtiger
quote:Not so sure about Oregon. Cristobal is 9-5 as HC there. And he's 36-52 overall as an HC.
USC would and should. Stanford and Oregon I agree would not.
If Mario loses 4 this season, he's on the hot seat.
I also agree that if Day stumbles, he's on shaky ground. Ohio State is loaded with talent, but Day's QB room emptied out. There's not a single scholly QB recruited by Ohio St. And Field's is an awesome runner, but a lot of questions on his throwing ability. He missed half his HS Senior season with a hand injury. Did the surgery bring him back to 100%? 4 of 13 in the Spring game.
Posted on 6/29/19 at 12:22 pm to AlxPin
I am getting some sick pleasure out of it to be honest LOL! Just playing with the negatives and aggravate them as much as I can. It is all a game. Dude it is a message board. It is not meant to be taken seriously. The sad and funny thing about it is people do....
This post was edited on 6/29/19 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 6/29/19 at 12:24 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
Yeah Day is on a short leash. The OHIO STATE have high expectations that must be met. There will be a small nuclear reactor under his seat if he loses to Harbaugh his first year. And if he does not beat Michigan the next year and lose 3 or more in 2020.....
This post was edited on 6/29/19 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 6/29/19 at 12:25 pm to Canwoodtiger
You claim it was time for Les to go and then prop up Ed despite him accomplishing nothing the old coach didnt that lead to him being fired.
Every year the standard of success is lowered to push a specific narrative that is favorable to Ed Orgeron. Not LSU. That's a fricking problem.
Every year the standard of success is lowered to push a specific narrative that is favorable to Ed Orgeron. Not LSU. That's a fricking problem.
Posted on 6/29/19 at 12:27 pm to The First Cut
I do not think fisher will make a college playoff at A&M as long as Saban is coaching. The west is now a log jam after Bama, and Saban isn’t losing 2. Even if the stars align and fisher beats Saban, he has the others to deal with as well. The 1 big advantage A&M has is their locked in SEC east opponant. That is one huge advantage over both LSU and Auburn. We should be fighting to kill that.
Posted on 6/29/19 at 12:33 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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yeah thats why before lsu he spent 32 years being nothing but a position coach.
Boy this anger you have inside is scary!
Newsflash, nearly all coaches start out as a position coach.
These arguments were at best an opinion before he was hired. It's obvious that O was not ready to be a head coach when he was hired by Ole Miss.
But what is also obvious is that he not the same man, nor the same coach.. today. Some saw something in him and decided it was worth the risk. It was fair then to criticize that and have strong opinions otherwise.
But continuing to have that option, and continuing to bring it up in every single thread, when, we finished 6th in the country last year, have one of our best recruiting classes ever going on right now, and are entering a season with a great team and finally a great QB, just makes you look like an ignorant arse that didn't get his way. You don't look like a fan, you look like a cry baby.
This post was edited on 6/29/19 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 6/29/19 at 12:34 pm to The First Cut
He's not underpaid. This is the framework that he suggested; pay for the best coordinators and let them coach.
Posted on 6/29/19 at 12:36 pm to Brazos
quote:I’m a little early this year with my annual reality check: “The more things change, the more they remain the same“.
We are still averaging 3 losses a year right now under O so the jury is still out. I really do think that changes this year though and we have a really good season with at least 10 regular season wins.
This post was edited on 6/29/19 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 6/29/19 at 12:36 pm to Canwoodtiger
quote:You have two really big IFs in there. And no, I still don't think they would. Coach O has only had success in major roles at two programs. Both of those are talent and money powerhouses. Washington State isn't like USC and LSU. They aren't talent rich, and they don't have money to dump into a program. I think they would consider a coach who has proven he can do more with less.
Once teams start outscoring them while if O and LSU ends up in the playoffs you think they would not make that trade?
And would you care to comment on Washington. You keep leaving them out in this discussion of the conference.
Posted on 6/29/19 at 12:42 pm to Damone
quote:Every team where he was already on staff.
Who besides LSU would have even interviewed O for a head coach position?
Posted on 6/29/19 at 12:55 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
quote:Even if we were to concede that Orgeron is only doing as well as Les Miles in his 1st 2 years, he is doing it for millions less. And this year looks like Orgeron will prove why he is the much better coach.
You claim it was time for Les to go and then prop up Ed despite him accomplishing nothing the old coach didnt that lead to him being fired.
Every year the standard of success is lowered to push a specific narrative that is favorable to Ed Orgeron. Not LSU. That's a fricking problem.
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