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re: College football playoff idea
Posted on 7/15/09 at 4:19 pm to MOT
Posted on 7/15/09 at 4:19 pm to MOT
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The major bowls would not go for this.
You can't have the Rose Bowl host the 1st round, and have four games in LA that weekend. How would you crown the official Rose Bowl Champion? You couldn't, so this would never ever work.
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Posted on 7/15/09 at 4:26 pm to BayouBengals03
well, when you have a championship game now you get a championship trophy not a rose bowl or whatever.
i'd say we can figure out the trophy business later, let's work on getting a system that makes sense. i'd love to say that the old way works or the BCS, but there is too much subjectivity.
I do agree that 12 seems like a lot and that teams like buffalo and east carolina being included would be ridiculous, but if we're looking for something objective, we can't disregard the smaller conferences just because we believe they are weak.
the big 12 is considered a major conference and they have a horrible bowl record practically every year. when is the last time oklahoma really won an important game. every conference has their issues.
yeah, i'd say SEC champ is the national champ every year, but that wouldn't work would it. however, the nation has yet to prove that theory wrong. 5 and 0 in the 'ship.
i'd say we can figure out the trophy business later, let's work on getting a system that makes sense. i'd love to say that the old way works or the BCS, but there is too much subjectivity.
I do agree that 12 seems like a lot and that teams like buffalo and east carolina being included would be ridiculous, but if we're looking for something objective, we can't disregard the smaller conferences just because we believe they are weak.
the big 12 is considered a major conference and they have a horrible bowl record practically every year. when is the last time oklahoma really won an important game. every conference has their issues.
yeah, i'd say SEC champ is the national champ every year, but that wouldn't work would it. however, the nation has yet to prove that theory wrong. 5 and 0 in the 'ship.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 4:27 pm to TopWaterTiger
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LA High School system has playoff
Division II & III has a playoff
1-AA has playoff
NFL has a playoff.
I'm not sure what to make of the argument unless you can tell me the details of the system, how it works in 1AA, II, & III and what similarities there are between those divisions and D1 that would lead you to believe it would work in D1.
Even bringing up high school and the NFL in this conversation is pretty stupid.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 4:30 pm to MOT
all I'm really saying is that every level of organized football has a playoff system to determine a champion. D1 should as well.
Also you must not know much about football if you're asking about how playoffs work at each level I mentioned.
Also you must not know much about football if you're asking about how playoffs work at each level I mentioned.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 4:32 pm to easy money
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The point is that every conference will have a championship game and a clear champion. Those teams will participate.
what if 1 conference has 2, 3, or even 4 teams better than another? what does this system do? nothing
Posted on 7/15/09 at 4:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
screw em. If you can't win your conference, then why should you be the national champion?
There are 2 open spots to justify a very good team that just misses out winning. I think there are only 1 or 2 teams that fall in that category a year.
There are 2 open spots to justify a very good team that just misses out winning. I think there are only 1 or 2 teams that fall in that category a year.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 4:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The point is that every conference will have a championship game and a clear champion
PAC-10 already plays every team. Why do they need a championship game?
Posted on 7/15/09 at 4:37 pm to easy money
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screw em. If you can't win your conference, then why should you be the national champion?
2006 LSU and other teams in the past few years disagree.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 4:39 pm to BayouBengals03
what? i believe you are wrong.
there are no national champs that did not win their conference.
we beat tenn. in the SEC champ to go.
there are no national champs that did not win their conference.
we beat tenn. in the SEC champ to go.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 4:40 pm to TopWaterTiger
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Also you must not know much about football if you're asking about how playoffs work at each level I mentioned.
I didn't ask about each level because there is no need to even mention high school and the NFL.
I know there are playoffs in the other college football divisions. The teams play each other, the winner advances, etc. What I would like to know, since this is used as an example of how it could work it D1, is how are the teams determined? What criteria is used? How are conference champions determined? Are there automatic berths? Did they have a long established bowl system to work around? Since you brought it up, I'm assuming you know all these answers and can explain it.
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every level of organized football has a playoff system to determine a champion. D1 should as well.
Why should it? Other than just being "cool"? Major college football has been around longer than many of the levels you mention, has survived this long, and the argument can be made that it is more popular than all of them as well.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 4:40 pm to easy money
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what? i believe you are wrong.
there are no national champs that did not win their conference.
we beat tenn. in the SEC champ to go.
Yes, I understand this.
What I am saying is, LSU was the 2nd best team in the country in 2006 and would have beaten the frick out of Ohio State as well.
Hell, we were probly the best team.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 4:43 pm to BayouBengals03
do you mean the year that georgia absolutely raped us in the SEC champ?
Posted on 7/15/09 at 4:44 pm to easy money
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screw em
that's a great system
a system that aims to give lesser teams shots at the title. EXACTLY how you want to crown a champ
Posted on 7/15/09 at 4:44 pm to easy money
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do you mean the year that georgia absolutely raped us in the SEC champ?
No goddamnit.
2006 was the year we beat the living frick out of Notre Dame in the Sugar Bowl. A Notre Dame team that Ohio State was probably 7 point better than.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 4:44 pm to easy money
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do you mean the year that georgia absolutely raped us in the SEC champ?
2006
Posted on 7/15/09 at 4:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
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a system that aims to give lesser teams shots at the title. EXACTLY how you want to crown a champ
I agree. That's why if we had a playoff it shouldn't and couldn't be more than 4 teams.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 4:55 pm to easy money
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next, a 12 team playoff.....10 conference champions and 2 wild cards (allows a legit 1 loss or 2 loss team and will keep notre dame from having to join a conference): sec, big 12, big 10, pac 10, acc, big east, wac, mountain west, conf. usa, and mac. the teams will be seeded according to their final rankings after championship week. the top 4 ranked conference champs will receive a first round bye.
and the Sunbelt voluntarily drops to 1-AA? (FCS...whatever)
Posted on 7/15/09 at 4:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
ahhh, gotcha.
yeah, it seems like that would work, but it does not satisfy all the issues. Just because we think LSU is better or Bama may be better than someone, doesn't mean Utah is not going to wax them. So how do you deny a mountain west conference that killed the Pac 10 last year.
I'm looking for a system that gets it right, sure. i think the way to do is let every conference have a shot. we may find the strongest team your way, but according to who? much of that is based of a pre-season ranking and a "strong conference" that you may play in. Some are actually strong. Some may be strong one year and not the next. But we debate it every year. Some teams can't help it that they play in a shitty conference. It didn't stop us from allowing Miami to win and participate in tons of championships.
Too subjective. How do you justify that 2 SEC teams out of 4 should participate? It just doesn't work nationally....it doesn't give enough value to underdogs, strong teams playing in a down year conference...not flexible enough IMO. Wouldn't work every year. Would leave a lot still to desire. even though, yes, it probably should be like that.
yeah, it seems like that would work, but it does not satisfy all the issues. Just because we think LSU is better or Bama may be better than someone, doesn't mean Utah is not going to wax them. So how do you deny a mountain west conference that killed the Pac 10 last year.
I'm looking for a system that gets it right, sure. i think the way to do is let every conference have a shot. we may find the strongest team your way, but according to who? much of that is based of a pre-season ranking and a "strong conference" that you may play in. Some are actually strong. Some may be strong one year and not the next. But we debate it every year. Some teams can't help it that they play in a shitty conference. It didn't stop us from allowing Miami to win and participate in tons of championships.
Too subjective. How do you justify that 2 SEC teams out of 4 should participate? It just doesn't work nationally....it doesn't give enough value to underdogs, strong teams playing in a down year conference...not flexible enough IMO. Wouldn't work every year. Would leave a lot still to desire. even though, yes, it probably should be like that.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 5:10 pm to easy money
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that's a great system
a system that aims to give lesser teams shots at the title. EXACTLY how you want to crown a champ
The lesser teams wouldn't make it far. The strong would survive. Plus I'd rather make a 12-0 Ohio state prove that they belong by playing a few games against ranked opponents.
We are given not worthy teams a chance of winning the title every year anyway. a 50% chance at that. you have admitted it yourself through this debate. Now we are looking at 8% odds.
the criteria now is none. if we are going to make it work there has to be some structure.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 5:16 pm to alajones
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hen bowl games become meaningless, coaches get fired for going 10-2 but never making the tournament, there is still just a s much bitching about who got shafted, we still use the BCS to determine seeding, teams in conferences that have a championship game are in worse shape than teams in conference
Bowl games are already meaningless, that's why the favorites rarely show up, b!tching about 8 & 9 is significantly less relevant than 2&3, teams in CCG are in worse shape how?
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