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re: Coach O Is Crushing It
Posted on 1/29/19 at 2:07 pm to BayouCowboy
Posted on 1/29/19 at 2:07 pm to BayouCowboy
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In Saban's 5 years at LSU only one season did he have less than 3 losses (8-4, 10-3, 8-5, 13-1, 9-3). Now that was the NC season and he should be credited with bringing the program out of the basement, but as you see there were ups and downs. If he stayed could he have made us into what he's done at Bama? IDK. Les came in and did very well until he became his own worst enemy.
All fair.
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I've been told that interim doesn't count, but nevertheless I agree that 2019 is a no excuse season based on LSU having the talent and staff being essentially in place. As you mentioned in other posts 3 losses in 2019 is unacceptable and I expect us to seriously compete for a SECC.
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I'm not on any side. I won't shill for O and I won't trash him. I will give my opinion (whether anyone agrees or not) and likely not make friends on any side. Unfortunately, and I said this a long time ago, I think he has some of the same deficiencies that Les had and could lead to his undoing. Les is to Cameron as O is to Ensminger. At least O seems to be attempting to evolve but the clock is ticking and if 2019 doesn't yield elite level results he will go into 2020 with a new QB and a lot less support than he currently has.
And that's fine, I do agree that optics of firing someone on a 9-3 season are terrible, but I'm a rip the band aid person, I just don't see O competing, and if he still doesn't in 2019, then what's the point anymore?
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Posted on 1/29/19 at 2:10 pm to Freauxzen
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And that's fine, I do agree that optics of firing someone on a 9-3 season are terrible, but I'm a rip the band aid person, I just don't see O competing, and if he still doesn't in 2019, then what's the point anymore?
Well for one, you risk becoming Auburn. I don't know why any coach would ever want to go there again. No matter what your coach has done, you're always at risk of losing your job over one bad season.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 2:13 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:Just wondering how long we have to trend before meaningful changes are made.
We're trending in the right direction, but still have some big questions.
This post was edited on 1/29/19 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 1/29/19 at 2:18 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Orgeron goes 9-4 and 10-3 and ppl are calling him the savior of the program and beyond reproach.
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Not a single person has said either.
Just because you haven't seen those kind of posts, doesn't mean they don't exist.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 2:20 pm to earl keese
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Just because you haven't seen those kind of posts, doesn't mean they don't exist.
Can you find one?
Posted on 1/29/19 at 2:23 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You know man, you'll see things the way you want to see them.
Dude, what bowl would you rather play in, the Cotton Bowl or the Fiesta Bowl?
5 years ago it was the Fiesta Bowl. Today it's the Cotton. That's simply because of the playoff.
Everyone knows that the bowl structure is different today than it was in the past. No need to ignore that.
This post was edited on 1/29/19 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 1/29/19 at 2:23 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Well for one, you risk becoming Auburn. I don't know why any coach would ever want to go there again. No matter what your coach has done, you're always at risk of losing your job over one bad season.
If 2019 doesn't yield exceptional results we will have squandered one of the most talented teams we've had in years. We have elite level WRs, the #1 and #6 RB (similar to having LF and Guice) and experienced OL and a SR grad QB. The D is stacked and we have an elite DC.
Each season has to be re-assessed based on roster and schedule. 2019 lines up as well as it could except going @Bama; however, I think the pressure is less on the road. This team is built to win in 2019 and if we don't go 11-1 or 10-2 in regular season at a minimum this will be a blown opportunity and the buck stops at HC.
This post was edited on 1/29/19 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 1/29/19 at 2:25 pm to Goldrush25
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Dude, what bowl would you rather play in,
Has nothing to do with anything I said.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 2:28 pm to BayouCowboy
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If 2019 doesn't yield exceptional results we will have squandered one of the most talented teams we've had in years. We have elite level WRs, the #1 and #6 RB (similar to having LF and Guice) and experienced OL and a SR grad QB. The D is stacked and we have an elite DC.
Each season has to be re-assessed based on roster and schedule. 2019 lines up as well as it could except going @Bama; however, I think the pressure is less on the road. This team is built to win in 2019 and if we don't go 11-1 or 10-2 in regular season at a minimum this will be a blown opportunity and the buck stops at HC.
Who built it?
Posted on 1/29/19 at 2:29 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Can you find one?
I know of one specifically because I commented in his thread telling him to calm down.
If I bump it, will you comment on how you were wrong, or will you say that it's just one person?
Posted on 1/29/19 at 2:31 pm to tigerpawl
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Just wondering how long we have to trend before meaning changes are made.
What kind of changes will you want to make if we keep getting better?
Posted on 1/29/19 at 2:32 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Who built it?
It's still a results based business and 3 losses with this team will be a HUGE disappointment. If that's what we get then I'm going to have to side with the more critical base and ask why are we trading one 3 loss coach for another?
Posted on 1/29/19 at 2:33 pm to Goldrush25
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Dude, what bowl would you rather play in, the Cotton Bowl or the Fiesta Bowl?
5 years ago it was the Fiesta Bowl. Today it's the Cotton. That's simply because of the playoff.
Everyone knows that the bowl structure is different today than it was in the past. No need to ignore that.
That's not true at all. The New Years 6 bowls are all equal. The playoff rotates using those 6.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 2:33 pm to Goldrush25
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f I bump it, will you comment on how you were wrong, or will you say that it's just one person?
Yep, find me someone saying he's above reproach
Also prove your claim that someone said UF going 10-3 was trash.
TIA.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 2:35 pm to BayouCowboy
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It's still a results based business and 3 losses with this team will be a HUGE disappointment. If that's what we get then I'm going to have to side with the more critical base and ask why are we trading one 3 loss coach for another?
Nobody is arguing that a 3 loss season would be a disappointment. Just saying that doesn't defacto mean O has peaked.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 2:37 pm to Goldrush25
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5 years ago it was the Fiesta Bowl. Today it's the Cotton.
I guess you're unaware there's a rotation among the top tier bowls
Posted on 1/29/19 at 2:40 pm to p&g
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took dabo as well as Saban time to build their programs to what they are today. Both coaches are in what year 11? 12?
Saban won 3 National Championships in his first 6 years at Bama. His first in year 3. His second year his only losses were to Florida, who won the National Championship and to Utah, who beat Bama in the Sugar Bowl and finished the season ranked #2.
It took Dabo more time to build Clemson to what they are today and perhaps there could be a comparison made between dabo and o. But anybody who tries to make a comparison between Saban and o are just showing their ignorance.
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God forbid O be extended same courtesy.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 2:41 pm to ScaryClown
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He lost to Troy
Dude
Posted on 1/29/19 at 2:49 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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I can't stand fans that are so focused on proving their point that they diminish positives for the program. The Fiesta Bowl win was a huge moment for LSU.
A 2 loss national championship has repeatedly been brought up in this very thread to diminish the positives under the last regime.
Under the CFP system LSU would have made the NY6 every year from 2010-2013.
Conversely, LSU would not have been a BCS Bowl participant this past season.
He isn’t diminishing the Fiesta any more than the CFP structure did by expanding from the BCS system.
When talking about progress the program has made, having that perspective is necessary.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 2:51 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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When talking about progress the program has made, having that perspective is necessary.
We must temper any hint of positivity!
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