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re: Coach O is a genius for getting JOE BURROW from Ohio State.
Posted on 10/17/19 at 9:56 am to Reasonable227
Posted on 10/17/19 at 9:56 am to Reasonable227
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Absolutely. Brady was tutored under Sean. E wasn't familiar with the RPO, firsthand. Doesn't mean E isn't the better playcaller or has more offensive knowledge. He played qb for LSU, as you know. I'm sure there are many things Brady is lacking and is learning from Steve. You can bet Steve knows the RPO now. Never too late to learn.
Again...why does it matter that people are heaping praise on Brady? Why do they also have to heap it on Steve, when we know that left to his own devices he was unable to get it done on his own last year?
Why the desire to knight for Ensminger here...on a board that really likes the guy personally, even if many here felt that he was never the answer at OC?
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Posted on 10/17/19 at 9:57 am to Reasonable227
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doesn't mean he is a better OC than Steve
Who is claiming this?
Posted on 10/17/19 at 9:58 am to GeauxTigerTM
You seem awfully young, with your views.
Posted on 10/17/19 at 9:58 am to Reasonable227
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You seem awfully young, with your views.
Roger alter confirmed
Posted on 10/17/19 at 10:00 am to Reasonable227
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You seem awfully young, with your views.
You seem like it's odd that you suddenly found TigerDroppings this year...like a week ago.
FWIW, I actually remember Steve playing...you?
Posted on 10/17/19 at 10:01 am to LNCHBOX
I have a hard time believing that someone with as many post as Rog has would be creating alters. 
Posted on 10/17/19 at 10:02 am to LNCHBOX
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Roger alter confirmed
Someone's obviously...
And old Rog does like to follow me around, so you may be on to something. Though I'm sure we've already had this age discussion...
Posted on 10/17/19 at 10:02 am to LNCHBOX
I could have the guy confused with someone else. I've read the board for a while, on and off. But, he seems like one of the posters that completely overreacts to the slightest adversity.
Posted on 10/17/19 at 10:04 am to LNCHBOX
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Who is claiming this?
The overriding central theme of the offense argument is that Brady deserves all the credit.
Some of us are pointing out that Steve deserves some of the credit. After all, he IS our OC, and Brady has never been an OC.
For whatever reason saying that doesn’t seem to sit well with some.
Posted on 10/17/19 at 10:05 am to GeauxTigerTM
I have no idea how old you are. You could be older than me for all I know. I could also have you confused. You seem to have a tendency to overreact. That's why I mentioned being young. Hell I'm 53, and get frustrated with aranda, so I get it.
Posted on 10/17/19 at 10:08 am to Mohican
Many think he is qualified NOW to be the OC, and is in fact, the acting OC. They don't have a clue what's going on. They just know Brady did a good job in bringing the saints passing game to lsu. Therefore, he is the OC. They BOTH deserve a tremendous amount of credit, as does O.
Posted on 10/17/19 at 10:10 am to Mohican
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The overriding central theme of the offense argument is that Brady deserves all the credit.
Are you under the impression Brady and Ensminger are Lennon/McCartney? That only together could they be THAT good?
What we have is tons and tons of data on Steve as an OC, both here and his others stints decades ago. He's never, at any point, put together offenses anywhere NEAR this efficient. This was the main reason why many balked at the idea of promoting him to replace Canada, because we all understood his limitations...and we saw them firsthand last season.
In walks Brady and BLAM!
So...MAYBE Brady is just as average as Steve on his own and we don;t know it yet. MAYBE they are a chemical reaction that only works together. But...and I'm willing to guess most here agree...what do you think the odds are that Brady is actually better at this than Steve is? Again...there's always someone better. Admitting that is not a weakness and acknowledging it in others is not a shot at their peers.
Posted on 10/17/19 at 10:12 am to Mohican
Stick your head in the sand all you want. The offense fundamentally changed when Brady got here.
That doesn't mean anyone is claiming he's the better OC
That doesn't mean anyone is claiming he's the better OC
Posted on 10/17/19 at 10:15 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Why do they also have to heap it on Steve, when we know that left to his own devices he was unable to get it done on his own last year?
Actually missed this post. I think this is the crux of it that people take issue with.
I think to say Steve was “unable to get it done last year” is a huge disservice and actually discounts how good our offense was by the end of last year. We were able to win 10 games (should’ve been 11, especially with that offensive performance). Keep in mind that last year we were replacing 100% of our offensive production from the year before. So, yes, some of us think Steve didn’t outright suck last year, and actually by the end of the year had us in a position to propel us into the offense we are today, with the addition of Brady’s concepts.
So, at least for myself, I take issue with the idea that Steve did a horrible job last year, despite what the numbers say. I take that and also consider that he is our current OC while we are having such success and if you removed him as a variable you would probably notice it.
Posted on 10/17/19 at 10:15 am to Yeahright
On throws of 10+ yards this year
*Burrow: 76.3% 12 TD 2 INT
*Herbert: 55.3% 11 TD 1 INT
*Ehlinger: 50.6% 12 TD 2 INT
*Tua: 51.6% 14 TD 1 INT
*Fields: 58.2% 11 TD 1 INT
*Sam Howell: 50.6% 11 TD 1 INT
That's dominance.
*Burrow: 76.3% 12 TD 2 INT
*Herbert: 55.3% 11 TD 1 INT
*Ehlinger: 50.6% 12 TD 2 INT
*Tua: 51.6% 14 TD 1 INT
*Fields: 58.2% 11 TD 1 INT
*Sam Howell: 50.6% 11 TD 1 INT
That's dominance.
Posted on 10/17/19 at 10:16 am to Reasonable227
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You seem to have a tendency to overreact
Given your new start date, you either are someone's alter or just got here...so honestly, I'm not all that interested in your take on me.
That said, I'm not reactionary. I've been on this board since 2006, and on Tiger Roar before that going back to 1999. I've never been anything but positive...and not too long ago was referred to as a sunshine pumper here!
I've simply been critical of the Orgeron hire and have wanted to hold him as accountable in the position he now holds as many fans here held the previous coach. For whatever reason, holding both men to the same standard has rubbed many the wrong way, and I end up debating about it.Posted on 10/17/19 at 10:17 am to LNCHBOX
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That doesn't mean anyone is claiming he's the better OC
Well now we’re getting somewhere.
The OC is a pretty big part of offensive success, wouldn’t you say?
I think we agree then. Both Steve and Brady (and most importantly Burrow) deserve the credit for the product on the field.
Posted on 10/17/19 at 10:19 am to Mohican
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So, at least for myself, I take issue with the idea that Steve did a horrible job last year, despite what the numbers say.
I mean...how can anyone debate with that? If you're unable to assess his performance based on the numbers, then we're really just talking about opinions.
Posted on 10/17/19 at 10:21 am to S
quote:Based on what? It was less than two weeks into Burrow's transfer eligibility that O signed JB.
Our biggest comp for Burrow was ... Cincinnati.
Spring practices were over at all schools. Burrow could easily kept looking for another month or so.
Cincy, N.C. (maybe), and LSU were the only schools OSU had given permission to JB to transfer his scholarship. He could have gone to any program and paid for a year. Not a problem.
E & O did their due diligence on Joe, then struck while the iron was hot. Congrats to them. Well done.
This post was edited on 10/17/19 at 10:22 am
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