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re: Coach O has 3 yrs remaining after this season on current contract...does Alleva extend?
Posted on 11/21/18 at 5:55 pm to rbdallas
Posted on 11/21/18 at 5:55 pm to rbdallas
Check out next year. This year was an anomaly.
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Posted on 11/21/18 at 6:42 pm to Covingtontiger77
Extend him at least two years
Posted on 11/21/18 at 6:46 pm to bencoleman
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LSU fans aren't irrational and delusional at all.
and absolutely D A F.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 6:50 pm to Covingtontiger77
If Alleva has any sense, the answer is no. Let the next year or two play out to see if we are indeed getting better as a program or worse. You don’t extend him with three years left not being 100% sure of what you’ve got.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 7:04 pm to Covingtontiger77
every recruit that signs with O already knows the situation and knows he's on a very short leash, so no need to give an extension.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 8:19 pm to atltiger6487
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every recruit that signs with O already knows the situation and knows he's on a very short leash, so no need to give an extension.
No need?
What about honor? Integrity? Respect? That mean anything to you?
The man has lost 1 game to an SEC west opponent (outside of BAMA) since taking the job (over 3 seasons). That, in the hardest division, in the hardest conference ever known to man. Being a business man, I certainly can comprehend his current value. How many coaches have accomplished this?
I understand both sides of this argument. But you bastards that continue to disrespect him really need to get your shite together and be a part of helping LSU take the next step up.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 8:38 pm to cra_cra
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I certainly can comprehend his current value.
What do you think his current value is? Because other schools certainly aren't coming after him.
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The man has lost 1 game to an SEC west opponent (outside of BAMA) since taking the job (over 3 seasons).
And he's 0-1 against sunbelt schools. See how cherry picking stats works?
Posted on 11/21/18 at 8:42 pm to calcotron
We’re talking about Joe Alleva right? Hell I’m surprised he wasn’t standing in the tunnel with a 15 year deal ready to sign after Bama shut O out again.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 8:46 pm to cra_cra
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be a part of helping LSU take the next step up.
How exactly does one do this?
Posted on 11/21/18 at 8:53 pm to BayouBengals18
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BayouBengals18
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It’s $150k for the appearance, $300k for a win.
Semantics
So is it $ 150,000.00 for appearance
and
Additional $ 150,000.00 if LSU wins
or
Additional $ 300,000.00 if LSU wins.
my understanding is $ 150,000.00 for the win as we are getting $ 150,000.00 for just appearing
Unless the post is wrong
Posted on 11/21/18 at 8:57 pm to UpToPar
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What do you think his current value is? Because other schools certainly aren't coming after him.
when did you expect teams to pursue him? After the I HC at USC? or the I HC year at LSU? or perhaps after 3 consecutive seasons of exceeding expectations in the SEC west? He's also made it pretty clear he is committed to LSU and there probably isn't any way he can be lured out. That's a fact.
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And he's 0-1 against sunbelt schools. See how cherry picking stats works?
I'm not cherry picking anything. You can also look at his overall win loss record at LSU. And again, you take out the BAMA losses (which again, any team would have), and it looks pretty stellar... and one play away from 2 more wins.
Whether you like it or not, or (know it or not for that matter), his value is determined by how he competes vs other SEC schools. That's 1st and foremost. Making the playoffs or greater is bonus.
So my answer is that he is incredibly valuable. He saved LSU a ton of money. And he has made LSU a ton of money. The ROI is through the roof. Should he be compensated for that... you betcha.
with that said however, I'm not sure we have to go balls out either. He needs to show improvement in the offense and the recruitment and development of QB's before anything serious happens.
So a small bump in pay and a small extension is showing we value his work thus far. Paying him 4 million a year would place him tied for 7th in the SEC and I think that is completely reasonable... especially if he beats AM.
This post was edited on 11/21/18 at 9:13 pm
Posted on 11/21/18 at 9:01 pm to Covingtontiger77
Absolutely no extension no matter what.
Clay Helton was 11-3 last year. Now look at USC.
Clay Helton was 11-3 last year. Now look at USC.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 9:03 pm to TigerLunatik
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How exactly does one do this?
If you don't think fans are "a part" of the solution, you clearly didn't pay attention to the Devin White situation.
Being in the stands... staying in the stands... openly supporting the program, showing confidence in your coaches, and minimizing negativity certainly does affect recruiting, media exposure, marketing, etc.
And whether you like it or not, climbing to the elite BAMA level takes a parts working perfectly together. It's a shame our fans don't understand this.
This post was edited on 11/21/18 at 9:04 pm
Posted on 11/21/18 at 9:04 pm to cra_cra
I think I get your point, but I can't help but laugh at this...
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I'm not cherry picking anything.You can also look at his overall win loss record at LSU. And again, you take out the BAMA losses (which again, any team would have), and it looks pretty stellar... and one play away from 2 more wins.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 9:07 pm to SammyTiger
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Coach O has 3 yrs remaining after this season on current contract...does Alleva extend?
So you think every coach out there has 4 years left on his deal?
Not all of them, just the ones that have other power 5 schools actively recruiting against them... So not all
Posted on 11/21/18 at 9:09 pm to TigerLunatik
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I think I get your point, but I can't help but laugh at this...
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I'm not cherry picking anything.You can also look at his overall win loss record at LSU. And again, you take out the BAMA losses (which again, any team would have), and it looks pretty stellar... and one play away from 2 more wins.
I get it... but the fact is that Bama is on another level at this point. And almost every team out there would be 0-3 the last 3 years if they had to play them each year like we do. So, taking out the anomaly and looking at the rest of the data is a more reasonable approach when determining his value (in my opinion). Of course we want to get there... but EVERYTHING has to come together to accomplish that.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 9:11 pm to SammyTiger
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Coach O has 3 yrs remaining after this season on current contract...does Alleva extend?
No it won’t, because 3 years is a long fricking time to figure out an extension.
This isn’t the negative recruiting tool anyone wants it to be.
And I get the reasoning behind the arguement, I just Thinknits premature and we have a 3rd season to make a decision.
I think Everyone think 3 years is a good point to assess the contract and determine if an extension is appropriate
I am no huge fan of Coach O, but I am less a fan of ignorant people and I can only hope that you get an AD job at any school in the SEC West except LSU but preferably Bama and
Posted on 11/21/18 at 9:11 pm to cra_cra
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when did you expect teams to pursue him? After the I HC at USC? or the I HC year at LSU?
Well, we know it certainly wasn't after his time at Ole Miss. On a more serious note, teams don't care how long a coach has been in his current position, if they want the coach they will go after him. The fact of the matter is, nobody is coming after Orgeron.
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He's also made it pretty clear he is committed to LSU and there probably isn't any way he can be lured out. That's a fact.
Do you remember the "dream job" talk while he was at USC? The guy will say whatever it takes to get a job, and all the backwoods cajuns ate it up.
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I'm not cherry picking anything. You can also look at his overall win loss record at LSU. And again, you take out the BAMA losses (which again, any team would have), and it looks pretty stellar... and one play away from 2 more wins.
If his record was so stellar, you wouldn't need to qualify it to make it look better. The fact is, he has a couple of BAD losses, and a couple of GREAT wins.
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Whether you like it or not, or (know it or not for that matter), his value is determined by how he competes vs other SEC schools. That's 1st and foremost. Making the playoffs or greater is bonus.
His value is determined by what the open market is willing to pay for him, which, at the moment, is much less than he is making.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 9:13 pm to cra_cra
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I get it... but the fact is that Bama is on another level at this point. And almost every team out there would be 0-3 the last 3 years if they had to play them each year like we do. So, taking out the anomaly and looking at the rest of the data is a more reasonable approach when determining his value (in my opinion). Of course we want to get there... but EVERYTHING has to come together to accomplish that.
But that's not the only thing you cherry picked. You had to qualify SEC West wins (except for Bama).
The fact that you even have to qualify his record to exclude a loss against Troy is pathetic.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 9:14 pm to cra_cra
I think when discussing an extension, the Bama games are extremely important due to the nature of the losses. Two shutouts isn't good for business when looking into the future. If it's me, I don't even give one thought to extending until after next season. There's been a decent year in '17 with 2 bad losses and so far a very good season this year with a loss to a team we shouldn't have lossed to.
But, I have never been an A.D. and never will be. That's just my worthless opinion on the deal. I happen to think he does enough to get that extension next year.
But, I have never been an A.D. and never will be. That's just my worthless opinion on the deal. I happen to think he does enough to get that extension next year.
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