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re: Coach Mainieri's comments after the game

Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:10 pm to
Posted by Bernie Moore
Member since May 2010
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:10 pm to
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he took a shot, letting the SEC's leader in GIDP swing with a 2-0 count after turning to bunt, with a runner on first, and no outs. That scenarios screams Raph hitting into a dp...even with a "hit and run" on


Raph did not try to go to right field with the outside pitch but tried to pull it. There was no hit and run as Katz never broke for second on the pitch.PM gambled and lost. Anyone notice the sacrifice bunts by the other seven teams in CWS?
This post was edited on 6/17/13 at 3:17 pm
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:10 pm to
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its nothing against raph, just this year he has had a LOT of groundball outs. Especially ones with runners on


i blame Katz for getting on 1st and not 2nd...he should know better
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
46259 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:11 pm to
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He didnt execute.


thats what i just said dipshit. Instead he pulled a ground ball to the left side, you dont think his swing and approach had anything to do with that?
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
TeamBunt General Manager
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:12 pm to
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That's because you dont understand baseball all that well.



You want yo explain to me why something else is a better option there? Bottom of the 9th, down by 1, runner on 1st with 0 outs you bunt. End of story. That's it. The sac bunt has like a %70 success rate.
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
15999 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:13 pm to
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We gave him the bunt sign for two pitches. And then once the count got 2-0, I knew Mason was a very heady base runner and he wouldn't get picked off, and I figured Berg, who throws a lot of strikes, was going to have to lay one in there, assuming he was going to bunt again. And so we decided to take a gamble there and go with the hit and run,
-CPM

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There was no hit and run


Im only assuming CPM isnt lieing.
This post was edited on 6/17/13 at 3:13 pm
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
30494 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:13 pm to
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There was no hit and run as Katz never broke for second on the pitch.

Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
69562 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:13 pm to
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There was no hit and run as Katz never broke for second on the pitch


Katz was 10 feet from 2nd on the turn...just how fast do you think he is?

Also CPM said he put on a hit and run.
Posted by RATeamWannabe
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:13 pm to
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The sac bunt has like a %70 success rate.


Would LOVE to see the link to this
Posted by Bernie Moore
Member since May 2010
1859 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:14 pm to
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A hit and run never "screams" double play. We get it. Apparently Raph fricked your gf and you have it out for him because every single one of your posts has been bashing the dude for hitting into a DP. There was nothing wrong with hitting and running on a 2-0 count in that spot. It didn't work out. shite happens in baseball.


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PurpleAndGold86


There was no hit and run. RR tried to pull a low outside pitch. He did not try to go to rf.
Posted by RATeamWannabe
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2009
26018 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:15 pm to
Bernie Moore>CPM
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
30494 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:16 pm to
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Katz was 10 feet from 2nd on the turn...just how fast do you think he is?

I love how within the same thread we have Katz being called a slug and needing a runner, and at the same time someone arguing he is the baseball version of Trindon Holiday. Only on the rant.
This post was edited on 6/17/13 at 3:17 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:17 pm to
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Also CPM said he put on a hit and run.


Everyone was on a different page if so. runner didn't get a good start, and the ball was pulled down the third base line. Just bad execution.
Posted by Charter n Coke
Member since Jan 2013
2786 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:17 pm to
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There was no hit and run.


BS.Th hit and run was on. If it hadn't been hit and run, I wouldn't have been as close at second base. The only reason it didn't work is because Katz was/ is a little too slow.

that ball was burned to third base. It would have been an easy double had the hit and run not been on
This post was edited on 6/17/13 at 3:19 pm
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
15999 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:17 pm to
quote:

You want yo explain to me why something else is a better option there? Bottom of the 9th, down by 1, runner on 1st with 0 outs you bunt. End of story. That's it. The sac bunt has like a %70 success rate.


Because the 3rd best hitter on the team is up to bat and he hits alot of ground balls, he has exactly ZERO sac bunts in his entire career, it was a 2-0 count with a pitcher that was consistently around the plate and he knew he was going to groove a fastball. It was the PERFECT scenario because a hit and run usually is put on to keep you OUT of a DP because of the gap that it creates with the 2nd baseman covering 2nd for the throw. There was prlly a greater than 70% chance of a hit and run succeeding right there and putting us at 1st and 3rd with no outs as opposed to runner on 2nd with 1 out. All RR had to do was not pull a ground ball which in CPM's mind was not going to happen because he knows that his hitters have been coached to hit behind the runner if possible.
This post was edited on 6/17/13 at 3:22 pm
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
69562 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:18 pm to
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I love how within the same thread we have Katz being called a slug and needing a runner, and at te same time someone arguing he is the baseball version of Trindon Holiday. Only on the rant.


They can't make up their minds
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
11036 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:19 pm to
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He was supposed to hit behind the runner.

This isn't always true either. Some of you that think you know the game so well really don't.

If he hits a ground ball directly to the shortstop, Katz is more than likely safe at second base. The ball was hit hard, directly at the third baseman. That is one of a very few ways that play could have turned into a double play.

Between you and your boy Holden talking about how different counts don't ever change anything, ya'll should get together and talk strategy. I have a feeling ya'll would really get along well.
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
15999 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:20 pm to
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There was no hit and run. RR tried to pull a low outside pitch. He did not try to go to rf.


Which is exactly why I keep fricking saying he didnt execute the play properly. CPM calls for the hit and run and Rhymes pulls it. Who are you going to believe? If anything, the coach should have a vested interest to protect his players but he blatantly told the media the hit and run was on. Now why would he do that?
This post was edited on 6/17/13 at 3:22 pm
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
11036 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:21 pm to
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There was no hit and run. RR tried to pull a low outside pitch. He did not try to go to rf.


Wow. You probably shouldn't have bothered posting.
Posted by Bernie Moore
Member since May 2010
1859 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:21 pm to
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Bernie Moore>CPM


No,he gambled and lost. PM knows more than me and so does Javy. PM knows percentages favored the bunt especially with the slowest runner in lineup batting.
Posted by Bayou
Boudin, LA
Member since Feb 2005
41573 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:22 pm to
Tigers gave up both runs unearned. Damn Maneiri
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