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re: Coach Kelly says they aren’t going to buy players.

Posted on 5/7/24 at 6:00 pm to
Posted by CottonWasKing
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Posted on 5/7/24 at 6:00 pm to
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Currently players have all the power and can hold schools hostage for more money.



The schools don’t have to pay it. The boosters don’t even HAVE to pay it.


They are choosing to pay it. For now. That well will eventually dry and common sense will become a little more common.

You saw two big name schools just a week ago say no to a price that they could afford because they didn’t think a player, at a position of need, was worth it.


Need a little bit of that going around but it’s coming.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 5/7/24 at 6:04 pm to
A simple follow up question would have been, “but what if that approach leaves you without an SEC caliber interior defensive line?”

It would have been interesting to hear that response.
Posted by nicholastiger
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Posted on 5/7/24 at 6:04 pm to
I guess we’re poor again
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 5/7/24 at 6:05 pm to
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I'd honestly like to see how well these high priced transfer players actually produce, and how long they actually stick around.


It really doesn’t matter.

If pay is how you get the guys you think you need, there’s only one choice.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 5/7/24 at 6:06 pm to
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It’s kind of like what the NY Yankees also find out.

That example works against your point. The NYY have been extraordinarily successful buying players.
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 5/7/24 at 6:09 pm to
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He needs to get with the times


Nah. You have to have a more long-term view for unintentional consequences. When a team like Oklahoma wins an NC because they paid a 1-year DT and he was THE difference between them winning or not, then we'll see. This buying players for outrageous amounts hasn't proven to produce championships yet. Michigan is the reigning NC, and I don't know how many portal guys they had or how much they paid them. But they won because Harbaugh built a culture that created a lot of buy in and they keep their high school recruits for several years. They were probably one of the oldest NC teams in recent memory.

Saban built the best dynasty in our lifetimes by getting buy in from 4 and 5 star guys who would have probably played their freshman seasons almost anywhere else, but they were behind other 4 and 5 star player and waited until their 3rd or sometimes 4th years to start. Because they knew that was in their long-term futures, which made it great for Bama's present and future.

Granted, the landscape has changed since then. But we haven't seen the long-term effects of all this yet. There will definitely be unintended negative consequences. Somebody said OU paid that DT more NIL money than everybody on LSU's team...combined. That's not sustainable. It will simply cost more and more to just retain players, especially if, God forbid (but 100% inevitable), a 3rd year guy in LSU's system to committed here when he was 16 with a minimal NIL deal is outplaying the mercenary cat from Michigan State but has made 10 times less in 3 years than the guy who can't crack the fricking rotation, people will start feeling a certain way.

BK, clearly, wants to have an older team that was developed in the LSU system. And sprinkle in some portal guys to fill holes. But average players have so much leverage in this spring portal window that desperate teams have started to way overpay to go all in on this season. Florida State came closest recently to having it pay off. But the last 6 NCs have been Michigan, Georgia, Georgia, Bama, LSU, Clemson. All built on high school recruits (save for LSU with Burrow, but he was a grad transfer that even Nebraska wouldn't take at the time, despite his being a legacy).

It may change. Everything I've mentioned may be extinct. But I'd like to see Oklahoma, Miami, Ole Miss, and some of the other top spending NIL schools actually win something before we see if it's a sustainable model. Maybe it is. Maybe BK does need to get with the times. Maybe you have to go all-in every year. But I think the way Kelly wants to build his program is more sustainable long-term. I could absolutely be wrong. Ole Miss might win the NC this year. Hell, just making the playoffs would be a huge success. Texas
or Texas A&M may win it. Or OU. Or even Miami. But I doubt it. It will probably be Georgia or Ohio State. Ohio State did spend a shite-ton this year on portal guys, but their roster is mainly filled with high school recruits.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 5/7/24 at 6:10 pm to
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There's obviously going to be NIL money, but why would you pay $1 million + for a player who couldn't crack the starting lineup on his previous team?


The reality might be that we can’t unscrew ourselves for not spending money when there were players available. It was already too late.
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 5/7/24 at 6:13 pm to
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That example works against your point. The NYY have been extraordinarily successful buying players.


What? Not in terms of winning the World Series. They've won 1 since 2000. They're the Yankees. Nobody gives a shite about 95-win regular season AL Eastern Division championships when they get bounced before the ALCS. That's not the standard.
Posted by DBG
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Posted on 5/7/24 at 6:18 pm to
The DL crop these 2 portal cycles was very underwhelming.

I’m fine with not introducing locker room issues for mid players.
Posted by saturncube21
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 5/7/24 at 6:25 pm to
Stay strong coach
Posted by coolpapaboze
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Posted on 5/7/24 at 6:27 pm to
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They are choosing to pay it. For now. That well will eventually dry and common sense will become a little more common.

I think this is what happens also. It's early days in a new market. Paying top dollar for mediocre DTs who will likely put up mediocre numbers next season isn't a recipe for long term success. When these guys flame out, the market will dry up for this kind of player. I still think marquee players with established track records of performing will command top dollar, but we have a bunch of folks upset because we didn't pay top dollar for DTs that nobody had ever heard of three months ago.
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 5/7/24 at 6:28 pm to
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The DL crop these 2 portal cycles was very underwhelming.

I’m fine with not introducing locker room issues for mid players.


Exactly. You have to think of the long-term consequences.
Posted by DBG
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Posted on 5/7/24 at 6:32 pm to
Carl, I’ll listen to the argument that we just need bodies. There is merit to that. But I saw very, very few difference makers this time around.

Let’s coach up the boys we got
Posted by FireawayLSU
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Posted on 5/7/24 at 6:33 pm to
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There's obviously going to be NIL money, but why would you pay $1 million + for a player who couldn't crack the starting lineup on his previous team?


Because people see we need people but when we don’t over spend they panic and melt. It’s LSU fans way.
Posted by ipodking
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Posted on 5/7/24 at 6:51 pm to
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Coach Kelly says they don't want to compete for championships


FIFY
Posted by 225Tyga
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Posted on 5/7/24 at 6:52 pm to
So did Dabo Flabo Sweeney
Posted by Shaft Williams
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Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 5/7/24 at 6:53 pm to
The Michigan DL that bench pressed Tyler Booker into the backfield on the last play is a transfer from Coastal Carolina. You have to fill spot needs in the portal. I can't believe BK is saying this. LSU is too big of a program to be helmed by a guy talking like this.
Posted by The Pirate King
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Member since May 2014
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Posted on 5/7/24 at 6:54 pm to
High and mighty and principles are great until you're getting manhandled at the line of scrimmage by Kentucky in October.

Adapt or die. If Kelly doesn't want to play ball he won't last with the current system.

9-3 regular seasons don't cut the mustard around here.
Posted by Jcorye1
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/7/24 at 6:56 pm to
NIL is gonna sort itself soon enough, it cannot continue to exist in its current form.
Posted by The Pirate King
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Member since May 2014
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Posted on 5/7/24 at 6:59 pm to
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Let’s coach up the boys we got


You can't coach up 50 pounds, elite quickness, and P5 experience
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