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re: Clemson snitched but I guarantee Houston passed the info along
Posted on 8/29/25 at 12:57 am to Fast Times @ LSU
Posted on 8/29/25 at 12:57 am to Fast Times @ LSU
quote:They could have, but they didn't.
Houston could have told Haulcy - he was there 5+ months after the decision.
quote:They could have, but they didn't.
Houston could have told LSU.
quote:They could have, but they didn't. That's also not what the clearinghouse does.
NCAA Clearninghouse could have flagged it when approving the transfer.
quote:But they had the public records? Why would LSU think they needed to go and find hidden secret records that they didn't think existed?
Compliance could have requested ALL Big 12 docs associated with the player.
quote:I mean it's very simple. The only people who knew were the Big 12 and the Houston coaching staff. Haulcey didn't know, LSU didn't know, and even the fricking NCAA didn't know.
There are are so many points where the information could have been collected. that we don't know until now is mind boggling.
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Posted on 8/29/25 at 1:46 am to 7Tiger7
But the godly thing to do is to pay one’s penance for his wrong doing, especially if it benefits the church of Clemson.”
Posted on 8/29/25 at 7:09 am to 7Tiger7
The entire situation is BS. The official score card and announcement was for unsportsmanlike conduct. They later changed it that is what is BS.
Clemson has a weak fanbase and media outlet. Always have been. When I encountered them in 2004 after the bowl win over Tenn. they were terrible. Never liked them even though I have liked some of the players, their media and fanbase make it impossible to like them.
But at this point all we can do is use it as motivation and let Spears or Toviano get their opportunity. I would not be shocked if Cooley plays more in the box and Toviano play the deep safety. But I would expect Spears to get the first crack at it and he is going to be more in the box and at the line of scrimmage with Cooley playing more deep safety. Could be exciting, watch Toviano or Spears make a big play in the first half. Calling it now.
Clemson has a weak fanbase and media outlet. Always have been. When I encountered them in 2004 after the bowl win over Tenn. they were terrible. Never liked them even though I have liked some of the players, their media and fanbase make it impossible to like them.
But at this point all we can do is use it as motivation and let Spears or Toviano get their opportunity. I would not be shocked if Cooley plays more in the box and Toviano play the deep safety. But I would expect Spears to get the first crack at it and he is going to be more in the box and at the line of scrimmage with Cooley playing more deep safety. Could be exciting, watch Toviano or Spears make a big play in the first half. Calling it now.
Posted on 8/29/25 at 10:11 am to PP7 for heisman
I would be “shocked” if our own compliance department didn’t get documentation from the Big 12 as part of the transfer process. The Big 12 officials ruling on fighting isn’t “secret”.
This is a nuance in the new open transfer era. I guarantee you we will be more thorough in the next transfer cycle. If Clemson can find out before LSU, that’s a problem.
Since the suspension follows the player, if it’s not already explicitly laid out, NCAA should make it clear that any suspension documentation is included with all transfer documents to the incoming school.
This is a nuance in the new open transfer era. I guarantee you we will be more thorough in the next transfer cycle. If Clemson can find out before LSU, that’s a problem.
Since the suspension follows the player, if it’s not already explicitly laid out, NCAA should make it clear that any suspension documentation is included with all transfer documents to the incoming school.
Posted on 8/29/25 at 10:16 am to 7Tiger7
On the flip side… nobody says anything until after the TIGAS win ; would there be any ramifications from using an “ ineligible?” player?
Posted on 8/29/25 at 10:24 am to 7Tiger7
If that’s the case Houston is bitch made and coming off like a bitter ex lol
Posted on 8/29/25 at 10:34 am to Fast Times @ LSU
from Google AI so, take with a grain of salt....
I'm curious what Steve Lautz has to say about this. LSU has questions about Houston's compliance department and why information about Haulcy's suspension for fighting was not disclosed properly in the portal process. IMO that's the failure point.
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When an NCAA Division I football player transfers, the incoming school gets the player's documentation and contact information directly from the NCAA Transfer Portal. The compliance department at the athlete's current school enters the player's details into the portal after the athlete notifies them of their intent to transfer. The compliance department's role is to ensure the player's information is entered accurately and promptly into the portal, which then grants permission for other schools to contact the athlete.
I'm curious what Steve Lautz has to say about this. LSU has questions about Houston's compliance department and why information about Haulcy's suspension for fighting was not disclosed properly in the portal process. IMO that's the failure point.
This post was edited on 8/29/25 at 11:14 am
Posted on 8/29/25 at 1:58 pm to Fast Times @ LSU
quote:Well prepare to be shocked.
I would be “shocked” if our own compliance department didn’t get documentation from the Big 12 as part of the transfer process.
You get your information from the NCAA. The NCAA does not handle suspensions, conferences do.
quote:Correct, and he wasn't ejected for fighting at the time.
The Big 12 officials ruling on fighting isn’t “secret”
quote:I believe it's obvious how Clemson found out - Houston let them know.
If Clemson can find out before LSU, that’s a problem.
quote:I 100% agree with you, and I believe that there's probably already a rule on place stating that. I believe, while Clemson is extremely gay for doing this, Houston is the real villain here. They did this intentionally because they were mad their best player left their program.
Since the suspension follows the player, if it’s not already explicitly laid out, NCAA should make it clear that any suspension documentation is included with all transfer documents to the incoming school.
Posted on 8/29/25 at 2:38 pm to PP7 for heisman
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Correct, and he wasn't ejected for fighting at the time.
But he was suspended for fighting. If he wasn't, then, Haulcy is 100% cleared just like Cooley. The report after the game was wrong and the Big 12 corrected that. LSU wasn't informed of this, which boggles the mind.
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You get your information from the NCAA. The NCAA does not handle suspensions, conferences do.
Technically correct that the NCAA doesn't handle suspensions, but the NCAA does maintain the portal and one of the questions in the portal questionnaire is whether the student athlete is suspended or ineligible or disqualified for some reason.
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I believe it's obvious how Clemson found out - Houston let them know.
IF this is true, that Houston let Clemson know, that's a lawsuit waiting to happen. Houston can't let a 3rd party know about Haulcy's suspension without his approval. It's protected information.
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Houston is the real villain here.
We certainly agree on this one. But i also feel our compliance office should (in the future) work a little harder to verify eligibility of incoming players. If Houston didn't disclose this and they were supposed to, i hope they get reap the consequences.
This post was edited on 8/29/25 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 8/29/25 at 3:01 pm to Fast Times @ LSU
quote:Well, the report after the game was correct, and then the Big 12 went back and changed their decision, with that information solely contained within a letter to Houston. That's a bigger part of the issue here. If such a decision is made that necessitates further disciplinary action, that should 100% be made public.
But he was suspended for fighting. If he wasn't, then, Haulcy is 100% cleared just like Cooley. The report after the game was wrong and the Big 12 corrected that. LSU wasn't informed of this, which boggles the mind.
quote:And the NCAA was equally unaware of this information, which is why they cleared him to play. Another huge part of the problem.
Technically correct that the NCAA doesn't handle suspensions, but the NCAA does maintain the portal and one of the questions in the portal questionnaire is whether the student athlete is suspended or ineligible or disqualified for some reason.
quote:I disagree with this. While you could sue (you can sue for anything, technically) his playing status isn't legally protected information.
IF this is true, that Houston let Clemson know, that's a lawsuit waiting to happen. Houston can't let a 3rd party know about Haulcy's suspension without his approval. It's protected information.
quote:They certainly will now. The problem is two fold.
We certainly agree on this one. But i also feel our compliance office should (in the future) work a little harder to verify eligibility of incoming players. If Houston didn't disclose this and they were supposed to, i hope they get reap the consequences.
1. The player was ejected for a non-suspension reason. Why would you go inquire further which would almost guarantee (given the NCAA's past) something going wrong. This feels like something LSU would have done in like 2014, which would 100% bite them in the arse (a Mriam Segar special).
2. You do nothing further because the player was basically cleared on two fronts. First, when he was ejected for a non-suspension reason, and second when the NCAA cleared him.
I don't understand how the NCAA can see this and rule how they did. It's pathetic.
Posted on 8/29/25 at 3:21 pm to PP7 for heisman
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Well, the report after the game was correct, and then the Big 12 went back and changed their decision, with that information solely contained within a letter to Houston. That's a bigger part of the issue here. If such a decision is made that necessitates further disciplinary action, that should 100% be made public.
i agree and disagree. i've read 3-4 articles about the Big 12 ruling on Haulcy in early December and all of them made it seem like the initial game report was wrong and the review was a correction of that error (ESPN below). but i 100% agree with you that LSU was on a need to know, which is why that IS part of the transfer portal disclosure.
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Haulcy was initially ejected for unsportsmanlike conduct, a penalty that wouldn't generally yield a suspension. However, officials clarified after the game that Haulcy was ejected for fighting, which does result in a suspension. - ESPN
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And the NCAA was equally unaware of this information, which is why they cleared him to play. Another huge part of the problem.
i complete agree here.
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I disagree with this. While you could sue (you can sue for anything, technically) his playing status isn't legally protected information.
this is a grey area. in-house team suspensions are protected as part of their education record. it's not 100% clear if the letter from the Big 12 to Houston is public or private.
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2. You do nothing further because the player was basically cleared on two fronts. First, when he was ejected for a non-suspension reason, and second when the NCAA cleared him.
the BYU player who was in the fight was suspended the 1H of his bowl game; so, that "could" have alerted our compliance department to an issue to close the loop on. but the elephant in the room is Houston's failure to disclose the Big 12 letter calling it fighting and it was not in Haulcy's portal record. that's on Houston's compliance department.
This post was edited on 8/29/25 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 8/29/25 at 3:31 pm to 7Tiger7
Major Burns isn’t starting the1st half is he? Then we’ll be aight.
Posted on 8/29/25 at 3:41 pm to Genestealer55
IMO, After Haulcy's blame for fighting, Houston bears some blame for not giving LSU that info. And, potentially, UH people could have relayed that info to a Clemson person or two.
Maybe that is why LSU has apparently cancelled the UH game in Houston in 2027. That game has disappeared from LSU's 2027 schedule. Good riddance.
Maybe that is why LSU has apparently cancelled the UH game in Houston in 2027. That game has disappeared from LSU's 2027 schedule. Good riddance.
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