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re: Chris Reid is having a nice season

Posted on 3/20/18 at 2:40 pm to
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 3/20/18 at 2:40 pm to
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The relevance is that he was given the opportunity and played himself out of the lineup. Had he produced, he would have never been removed.
I agree with Project on this. That Reid is playing well enough to play because he gives you more today. But he won't remain when Smith returns. And Slaughter will continue to get opportunities for the reason we've spoken about 100 times.

I thought the following was interesting looking through some old stats posted on twitter. 2 players.

H/AB (avg):

45/181 (0.249) vs 49/200 (0.245)

OBP:

0.304 vs 0.322

XBH:

19 vs 11


Both have sub 0.750 OPS. Slaughter vs who?
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 3/20/18 at 2:42 pm to
Deichmann?
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
85031 posts
Posted on 3/20/18 at 2:48 pm to
Yep. Deichmann through his first 181 ABs as a Tiger (those were the stats readily available) which was through May 13th of his sophomore year. The difference being the 8 more XBHs. Obviously significant. But just as much so was that we were very thin at 1B/DH at the time with 8 other players batting above 0.300 with guys like Romero and Kramer stepping up big. So we had room to let Deichmann grow and figure things out. He ended up with 41 Ks that year.

And those struggles paid off. He finished with 9 more XBHs and significantly increased his average, too. Although the OBP remained below 0.350.
This post was edited on 3/20/18 at 2:52 pm
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 3/20/18 at 2:52 pm to
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PM was unloading the bench and all Missouri wanted to do was fill up the strike zone and get on the bus.


So like I said PM unloaded the bench, Mo. was ready to get out of dodge, their pitchers threw a couple of meatballs and the game ended.

If PM thought the game was in reach he never would have used Moffit as a pitcher, and left him in to give up two more runs.

And I doubt Mo. was using front line pitching either. They subbed in the field and threw a bunch of back line pitchers in there.
Posted by LST
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 3/20/18 at 3:02 pm to
If you think Slaughter is Deichmann, you've lost your mind. I suggest you look at those stats a little closer.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 3/20/18 at 3:03 pm to
Diechmann led our team in XBH & HR's for most of that year. We know at least thru 4/26. And at the end of the year.

He was never as bad as Slaughter was. Cause even at his worst he was providing power.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
85031 posts
Posted on 3/20/18 at 3:04 pm to
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If you think Slaughter is Deichmann
I didn't.
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I suggest you look at those stats a little closer.
Did you read my post about how I thought the XBHs were significant?
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
70246 posts
Posted on 3/20/18 at 3:04 pm to
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If you think Slaughter is Deichmann, you've lost your mind.


I agree. Slaughter has the hands and lateral quickness and agility to play the infield. Not nearly as stiff an athlete as Deichmann.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
85031 posts
Posted on 3/20/18 at 3:08 pm to
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He was never as bad as Slaughter was. Cause even at his worst he was providing power.
He started his career here 3-23. But one of those 3 was a HR vs Cinci so there's that.

But seriously. I never said he was "as bad as" Slaughter. Just thought it was interesting. He wasn't leading in HRs through 4/26. He was tied. And Kramer lead the whole way in XBHs until the very end. Like I said, Deichmann's June was insane. (ETA: I may be thinking of doubles here. The stats I'm looking at have KRob with 18 XBHs and Deichmann with 19 as of May 13th, so you're probably right).
This post was edited on 3/20/18 at 3:13 pm
Posted by LST
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 3/20/18 at 3:13 pm to
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Did you read my post about how I thought the XBHs were significant?



Well that, and the fact that 107 of Deichmanns AB's were in SEC play. In those 107 ABs he was hitting .271 with 8 2B, a 3B, 3 HR, 18 RBI, 10 BB and 20 SO.

Slaughter's career numbers in SEC play are 8 for 39 (.205) with 1 2B, 1 HR, 2 RBI, 3 BB and 14 SO.


How can you look at those numbers and say they are at all similar? Would you like Deichmann's first 39 ABs of SEC play to compare?
This post was edited on 3/20/18 at 3:15 pm
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
85031 posts
Posted on 3/20/18 at 3:15 pm to
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How can you look at those numbers and say they are at all similar?
Because they also include Slaughter's post season numbers.
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Would you like Deichmann's first 38 ABs of SEC play to compare?
Sure why not.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278380 posts
Posted on 3/20/18 at 3:18 pm to
Point is Deichmann was stuck with because he flashed. Had a 500 slg or near it going into May. Slaughter would prob still be playing if he had flashed previously, outside of just exit velocities
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278380 posts
Posted on 3/20/18 at 3:21 pm to
Meh, Slaughter is pretty stiff & it shows especially when he hits
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
85031 posts
Posted on 3/20/18 at 3:23 pm to
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Had a 500 slg or near it going into May
0.451
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Slaughter would prob still be playing if he had flashed previously, outside of just exit velocities
I'd say he has flashed it. We've seen it from the HRs he has hit. The difference is that Deichmann was beginning to do it more frequently, and again, we had an issue finding a first baseman. Our options were Bryce Adams, Bryce Jordan and Deichmann. So even though he still didn't look at all ready those first 2 weeks and even the 4th week vs Ball st (2 for 12), he still was getting a chance into SEC play starting with a 2 for 8 vs Bama. Many people were starting to give up on him by then.
Posted by mikeytig
NE of Tiger Stadium
Member since Nov 2007
7070 posts
Posted on 3/20/18 at 3:24 pm to
Lester-

Does excitement like this follow you everywhere?
Posted by LST
Member since Jan 2007
16316 posts
Posted on 3/20/18 at 3:29 pm to
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Because they also include Slaughter's post season numbers.


He only had 28 post season ABs where he hit .250 with 1 HR.


quote:

Sure why not.


Through his first 39 SEC ABs Deichmann hit .359 with 4 2B, 2 HR, 7 RBI, 3 BB, and 6 SO.


Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
85031 posts
Posted on 3/20/18 at 3:30 pm to
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with 1 HR
Posted by LST
Member since Jan 2007
16316 posts
Posted on 3/20/18 at 3:33 pm to
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So we had room to let Deichmann grow and figure things out. He ended up with 41 Ks that year.



You do realize that Slaughter was on pace to strike out 65 times last year if he had the 260 PA that Deichmann had right?
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
85031 posts
Posted on 3/20/18 at 3:35 pm to
Deichmann had 62 last year. Good company.

But 51 walks.
This post was edited on 3/20/18 at 3:36 pm
Posted by LST
Member since Jan 2007
16316 posts
Posted on 3/20/18 at 3:37 pm to
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Deichmann had 62 last year. Good company.


In 324 PA with 19 bombs. Did you finally realize your Deichmann comparison was absurd so you just throwing out bullshite?
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