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re: Chase: We’re always at the jugs machine

Posted on 8/21/19 at 9:48 am to
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
93700 posts
Posted on 8/21/19 at 9:48 am to
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So now Derek Ponamsky has the authority to call up the coaching staff and order reps on the jugs machines?

In fairness, I think he was saying that DP could use his position in the program to find out the information and not to actually order anyone to do anything.
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 8/21/19 at 9:49 am to
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Remove to make statement true.
reminded me of something you may (or may not appreciate).

I was buying network TV time. A network attorney called and demanded that I pay some 7 figure bogus bill. I called the office of the network pres. Spoke with his assistant. Explained my position, and faxed all paperwork. She called me back and said, "You do not owe this money. We do not do business this way". I thanked her and called the network attorney back and relayed her statement. The attorney blew up and said, "She does not have the authority to make that decision!". I called the assistant and repeated what the atty said. She blew up and said, "He said WHAT?". She hung up. About 5 minutes later I got a call from the attorney. He said, "There has been some kind of mistake. I am very sorry. This will never happen again. Please accept my apologies,"... etc & etc

I saw this many times in my career. Never sell the authority of an assistant short. They can wield more power than most people think.

And you can usually get the time to make a case to a CEO's assistant. You will almost never get enough time to make the pitch to a CEO. If the assistant thinks it has merit, it will get thru to the CEO.

Posted by 00 Tech Grad
My homestead, AL
Member since Nov 2009
10720 posts
Posted on 8/21/19 at 9:49 am to
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He actually has authority...in the LSU football program


If this is true, O should be fired immediately.
Derek is a straight up PR hire, a propaganda minister so to speak. TBH he’s pretty good at that.

If O actually gave him authority to make decisions involving ANYTHING the team/coaches do, he’s a moron. Derek is not qualified to do anything other than media.

ETA Of course, I don’t believe O could be that stupid and I think you’re just making shite up.
This post was edited on 8/21/19 at 9:59 am
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37527 posts
Posted on 8/21/19 at 9:50 am to
fricking Alabama man. I guess that’s what happens when your QB is insanely accurate, especially with deep throws. Fromm too
Posted by BananaHammock
Member since Aug 2011
13150 posts
Posted on 8/21/19 at 9:51 am to
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Juckeye Beaux

No one is reading that.
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 8/21/19 at 9:51 am to
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In fairness, I think he was saying that DP could use his position in the program to find out the information and not to actually order anyone to do anything.

No. I was saying that assistants to CEOs often have authority well beyond their pay grade. Explained above. Not offended if TLDNR
Posted by BornAndRaised_LA
Springfield, VA
Member since Oct 2018
5228 posts
Posted on 8/21/19 at 9:55 am to
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If you actually believe any "assistant to the boss" is without authority in any organizational hierarchy, then you have some tough lessons coming to you in your career.


I’ve been the assistant to the boss and I’ve been the boss. In all cases, the authority rests with the boss, not the assistant. An assistant can act on behalf of the boss in some cases with delegation, but if they overstep too often (or badly enough just once) they get fired.

DP could inquire, sure. If it came off as directing, he’d clearly be overstepping unless O gave him the authority to meddle with coaching. I doubt this is the case.
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 8/21/19 at 9:57 am to
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If this is true, O should be fired immediately.
Derek is a straight up PR hire, a propaganda minister so to speak.

No doubt he has PR duties. Any of 1000 guys could do that. But he was hired because O trusts him, and knows DP has O's back. Safe bet that O has DP's back as well.
Posted by 00 Tech Grad
My homestead, AL
Member since Nov 2009
10720 posts
Posted on 8/21/19 at 10:01 am to
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But he was hired because O trusts him, and knows DP has O's back. Safe bet that O has DP's back as well.


There’s one thing that can be said for hiring a guy nobody else would (in this case because of a felony record). That person is going to be loyal to you because he doesn’t have other decent options and you’ve just given him the best job he’s ever going to get.
This post was edited on 8/21/19 at 10:41 am
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 8/21/19 at 10:02 am to
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In all cases, the authority rests with the boss, not the assistant.
Yes. Of course. But please don't tell me that an assistant can't wield some serious power from time to time if they work within the guidelines they have with their boss.

And i'm talking about an executive assistant, not a minimum wage lackey.
This post was edited on 8/21/19 at 10:05 am
Posted by clamdip
Rocky Mountain High
Member since Sep 2004
17893 posts
Posted on 8/21/19 at 10:20 am to
Drops at LSU have been overstated by our Resident Tourist Burrow Apologist.

Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 8/21/19 at 10:25 am to
You still dragging out that silly graphic from that rank-amateur fan-boy CFB site???



This post was edited on 8/21/19 at 10:29 am
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33794 posts
Posted on 8/21/19 at 10:28 am to
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Yes. Of course. But please don't tell me that an assistant can't wield some serious power from time to time if they work within the guidelines they have with their boss.



They don't wield power. They are a proxy for the real boss, so functioning properly, they only represent his power, not their own.
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 8/21/19 at 10:29 am to
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They don't wield power. They are a proxy for the real boss, so functioning properly, they only represent his power, not their own.
Sho nuff.

But in the real world, don't cross 'em.
This post was edited on 8/21/19 at 10:31 am
Posted by BornAndRaised_LA
Springfield, VA
Member since Oct 2018
5228 posts
Posted on 8/21/19 at 10:31 am to
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But please don't tell me that an assistant can't wield some serious power from time to time if they work within the guidelines they have with their boss.


Are you implying O has delegated the direction of position coaches to his special assistant?

Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 8/21/19 at 10:33 am to
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Are you implying O has delegated the direction of position coaches to his special assistant?
Show me where I or anyone else said that.

Link please.
This post was edited on 8/21/19 at 10:34 am
Posted by Zanzibaw
BR
Member since Jun 2016
2947 posts
Posted on 8/21/19 at 10:34 am to
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I was buying network TV time. A network attorney called and demanded that I pay some 7 figure bogus bill. I called the office of the network pres. Spoke with his assistant. Explained my position, and faxed all paperwork. She called me back and said, "You do not owe this money. We do not do business this way". I thanked her and called the network attorney back and relayed her statement. The attorney blew up and said, "She does not have the authority to make that decision!". I called the assistant and repeated what the atty said. She blew up and said, "He said WHAT?". She hung up. About 5 minutes later I got a call from the attorney. He said, "There has been some kind of mistake. I am very sorry. This will never happen again. Please accept my apologies,"... etc & etc


Yeah, the attorney got a call from her boss who explained that he/she was the one that directed her to say that.
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 8/21/19 at 10:36 am to
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Yeah, the attorney got a call from her boss who explained that he/she was the one that directed her to say that.

Yup. Probably so. (Whether the pres bothered to look at the matter or not - probably accepted his trusted assistant's judgment - it was a no-brainer) And I bet the attorney never crossed her again.
This post was edited on 8/21/19 at 10:42 am
Posted by Nughuffer
Member since Jun 2015
377 posts
Posted on 8/21/19 at 10:39 am to
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But he was hired because O trusts him
Wierd, considering Derek has a criminal background. I guess O is able to relate to that so they are buddies?
Posted by Zanzibaw
BR
Member since Jun 2016
2947 posts
Posted on 8/21/19 at 10:39 am to
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Yup. Probably so. And I bet he never crossed her again.


i.e. a mouthpiece. You're making my point.
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