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Posted on 1/13/17 at 9:39 am to Dirtydave0693
Maybe.
All I'm asking for is to do a detailed eval of all the QBs, including Brandon, IN THE SPRING (not dragging into the fall) and then pick the best two and then work on the complete package.
If he thinks Brandon has the tools, and the issues are fixable then go for it. If he thinks they are fixable, but not for the 2017 season... move to next one.
We're (and Thomas, and CEO) are putting our faith in him to be able to do that evaluation correctly and put the best on on the field to accomplish what they need to. No personal shite, no favoritism, and no coddling. This is the big leagues of CFB.
All I'm asking for is to do a detailed eval of all the QBs, including Brandon, IN THE SPRING (not dragging into the fall) and then pick the best two and then work on the complete package.
If he thinks Brandon has the tools, and the issues are fixable then go for it. If he thinks they are fixable, but not for the 2017 season... move to next one.
We're (and Thomas, and CEO) are putting our faith in him to be able to do that evaluation correctly and put the best on on the field to accomplish what they need to. No personal shite, no favoritism, and no coddling. This is the big leagues of CFB.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 9:47 am to Dirtydave0693
Let's take a step back and be a little realistic here. BH didn't fail because of an inability to learn the system. Say what you want, but the system doesn't make you miss wide open receivers. The system doesn't make you lack the understanding of moving in the pocket (coaching does, sure, but not the system).
I agree the Les and Cam ruined this kid and he had all the potential in the world coming in to LSU. But I think it's more mental than everyone gives credit. His internal clock is off, he rushed throws when he's not pressured and holds the ball too long when he is. His feet get antsy and throws off his back foot, sailing the ball over receivers heads. That shite ain't system, it's coaching. Unfortunately, it may be too late for him to come back from 3 years of terrible coaching to make a push for a starting job this year.
I agree the Les and Cam ruined this kid and he had all the potential in the world coming in to LSU. But I think it's more mental than everyone gives credit. His internal clock is off, he rushed throws when he's not pressured and holds the ball too long when he is. His feet get antsy and throws off his back foot, sailing the ball over receivers heads. That shite ain't system, it's coaching. Unfortunately, it may be too late for him to come back from 3 years of terrible coaching to make a push for a starting job this year.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 9:51 am to ibleedprplngld
quote:accurate summary IMHO.
ibleedprplngld
For those black/white (or binary) thinking people it's hard to get, but basically there's blame on both sides. Is what it is, if it's not fixable... it's not fixable.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 9:57 am to TigerBait1127
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I think Harris's biggest coaching issue comes from his HS coach. The guy's attitude is a cancer for Harris
Specifically?
Posted on 1/13/17 at 10:03 am to Dirtydave0693
Given Harris' inadequacies, he was not placed in a position to succeed. It's possible a completely different system helps Brandon play better. This has been the issue all along, I feel. If the QB can't flourish in your system, tailor one that helps him succeed. Before that, there should have been better QB development. Even Matt Flynn said he wasn't taught a damn thing while at LSU. (wish i could find the quote)
Etling earned his shot and did well considering the circumstances. Now, we should get to see what they can all do in a completely new system.
Etling earned his shot and did well considering the circumstances. Now, we should get to see what they can all do in a completely new system.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 10:17 am to Lakeboy7
quote:He has no pocket presense either. If the pocket isn't completely pristine, he's hauling arse. It isn't just accuracy. He has 0 command of an offense. No leadership. He's had his chances. Way more than most.
His problem is accuracy and I'm not sure that can be fixed in a spring and camp
This post was edited on 1/13/17 at 10:18 am
Posted on 1/13/17 at 10:22 am to TigerB8
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Given Harris' inadequacies, he was not placed in a position to succeed
He handed the ball off to one of the best running backs ever to step on the field. Defenses put 9 in the box and one on one coverage to 5* 6'5" receivers...just how was he not put in position to succeed? He went 3 and out twice against Jasckson state with several terrible passes to wide open receivers and DE came in right behind him and engineered 3 straight touchdown drives with check downs, accurate passes and pocket awareness. The difference was night and day.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 10:30 am to Spankem
quote:not arguing, but if his head got jacked up enough from a cumlative effect of coaching, pressure, expectations, and WR-QB chemistry (lack of confidence in knowing what to expect) I can see that as a legit 'not put in position to succeed'. I don't know that is THE issue.
He handed the ball off to one of the best running backs ever to step on the field. Defenses put 9 in the box and one on one coverage to 5* 6'5" receivers...just how was he not put in position to succeed? He went 3 and out twice against Jasckson state with several terrible passes to wide open receivers and DE came in right behind him and engineered 3 straight touchdown drives with check downs, accurate passes and pocket awareness. The difference was night and day.
On the coaching, I get the sense that he was regressing and coaches were telling him he was, but not giving him adequate instruction on HOW to fix it. IF, and again I don't know if that's the case, but IF that happened then you start a downward spiral because now your timing is off (chemistry with WRs), you lose confidence because you're putting in the work but things still get worse, and the pressure increases.
Some would say there's ample evidence in LSU's coaching staff history to say that is probable and is more than an 'if'.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 10:33 am to Spankem
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He handed the ball off to one of the best running backs ever to step on the field. Defenses put 9 in the box and one on one coverage to 5* 6'5" receivers...just how was he not put in position to succeed? He went 3 and out twice against Jasckson state with several terrible passes to wide open receivers and DE came in right behind him and engineered 3 straight touchdown drives with check downs, accurate passes and pocket awareness. The difference was night and day
Was gonna break this down. But I realize you're just a casual fan. Statement is wrong in a number of respects. So...Ok.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 10:38 am to Dirtydave0693
Harris' problem is not talent. It is the ability to read and especially process information unfolding at a rapid pace (which makes QB play extremely difficult). Some people are more adept at it than others. Harris proved time and time again that he cannot process what he's seeing and take appropriate actions (pass, run, throw the ball away).
Posted on 1/13/17 at 10:46 am to prepsportsallday
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Was gonna break this down. But I realize you're just a casual fan. Statement is wrong in a number of respects. So...Ok.
No, do breakdown how one quarterback can make throws that another can't. Please breakdown how #15 can now catch the balls thrown to him, where last year he had the dropsies. Unless you can produce some solid rational, your words are worthless.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 11:07 am to ibleedprplngld
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That shite ain't system, it's coaching.
What are Les and Cam supposed to do? They can't force him to stop getting scared and throwing off his back foot. Plus he's been going to George Whitfield's camp since HS, he just can't consistently complete passes accurately.
Some people have it, some don't. He's not comfortable in the pocket, and he's a pocket passer, which isn't a good combo.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:07 pm to prepsportsallday
Here is a great reason why there was a quarterback change. Go straight to LSU's first drive at the 12 minute mark. The commentators do a good job breaking down Harris. 13 minute mark is a wide open short pass extremely overthrown, 14:27 high pass that could have been caught for a first down if thrown chest high and outside at the chain. You can hear the announcers breaking down the poor quarterback play. Go to the 23 minute mark for LSU's next drive. 23:45 badly overthrows yet another receiver for what should have been a pick. After two 3 and outs even Miles has seen enough. Etling comes in at 35:25 and the rest is history. Watch the accurate throws, the chains move and the points scored.
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:16 pm to I-H8-BAMA
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I dont want Brandon Harris anywhere near the starting qb role. I've seen enough.
I really want to a agree with you, but man, Les and Cam were running the most dysfunctional offense in the NCAA. Their QBs and play makers were never ever put in a position to succeed. Next year's offense is going to be extremely refreshing no matter who wins the QB job. It was seriously painful watching LSUs offense through the past several years minus Mettenberger. We lost many many games at the hands of Les and his stupid arse offense. I really want him to get a job somewhere else just to see what he does on offense. I bet it would be the same old shite.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:38 pm to Spankem
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He handed the ball off to one of the best running backs ever to step on the field. Defenses put 9 in the box and one on one coverage to 5* 6'5" receivers...just how was he not put in position to succeed? He went 3 and out twice against Jasckson state with several terrible passes to wide open receivers and DE came in right behind him and engineered 3 straight touchdown drives with check downs, accurate passes and pocket awareness. The difference was night and day.
I am in no way saying that Harris doesn't share the blame here. However, seeing his deficiencies, this staff should have done a better job of placing him in situations where his weaknesses weren't exposed so much. If this staff really wanted him to be "the" guy, they did an awful job of game planning for him. Such as doing nothing in the offseason to change up schemes or put in different plays to take the heat off him.
This post was edited on 1/13/17 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:04 pm to TigerDM
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It is very obvious that Harris is over analyzing everything so much, that he became completely ineffective.
I think this is likely accurate. Being a P5 starting QB is difficult enough, but Cam's offense made it a lot harder than it should have been. Mett and WRs who we now know are two of the best in a generation made it work, but I think we got a false impression from Mett's success. Only a QB with pretty advanced vision and read skills could run it, and most college guys just aren't at that level. I believe they what made matters worse for the offense was that the complexity is what made Cam's offense work. When he had to scale things back for Jennings and less so for Harris, the effectiveness of the passing game went out the window. The passing offense became easier to defend, and actually harder to execute because of that. It put Harris in a terrible position. Add in his accuracy issues and increasing indecisiveness on when to run, and you have a real mess.
It will be a tall order for Harris to do all he needs to do in one offseason. He needs to improve his mechanics to help his accuracy, get his confidence back, and learn the new offense. I wish him luck. If he can conquer all three, then maybe he becomes the best option for us next season. But, everyone needs to realize what a difficult task that is.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:06 pm to Dirtydave0693
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My question is, do you think Canada could develop Brandon Harris
What has Etling done to deserve being demoted in favor of Harris? As he played quite a bit better than Harris ever did.
Not to mention, that according to reliable reports, Lindsey Scott is better than both Etling and Harris combined. As Herb Tyler says, Scott is beyond electrifying and has the potential to become the next DeShaun Watson type quarterback. I think a better analogy would be a Russell Wilson type quarterback myself, since they are both the same height and weigh about the same.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:06 pm to BreakingTheBank
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I think Lindsey Scott may have a better chance than Harris to supplant Etling.
I really want Lindsey Scott to win the job. He just strikes me a someone with that X factor.
My ideal scenario is Scott taking over this year, showing serious promise, then a monster 3rd year and off to the NFL, with Miles Brennan taking over with 3 years of eligibility.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:10 pm to ipodking
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It's possible.
It's highly unlikely. His problems aren't physical. They are mental.
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