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re: Can We Be Honest Regarding LSU & Alabama?
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:05 am to AlexLSU
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:05 am to AlexLSU
There are many other coaches that would have the same record (or better) as Les Miles had they been hired by LSU in 2005.
Just because you haven't driven a Ferrari doesn't mean you won't be able to drive it better than someone who has if you are given the chance.
When your enemy has you believing that, they have already won.
Just because you haven't driven a Ferrari doesn't mean you won't be able to drive it better than someone who has if you are given the chance.
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Sometimes there's a coach and team that are just better
When your enemy has you believing that, they have already won.
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:05 am to SabiDojo
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This was really our chance to go for a title. I don't know if our chances next year will be any better.
the offense should most certainly be better
the defense, especially the LBers scare the shite out of me though
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:05 am to AlxTgr
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What was the better plan?
always the go to when defending Miles. I'll tell you what was the better plan for this game.....ANY OTHER PLAN than the one we used.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:06 am to NorthEndZone
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There are many other coaches that would have the same record (or better) as Les Miles had they been hired by LSU in 2005.
no way of knowing that
absolutely no way
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:06 am to SabiDojo
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2012 and 2014, we were better.
I've stopped expecting to beat Bama. 2011 LSU was one of the greatest defenses and special teams in college football history, paired with a typical Les offense. And still struggled against Bama. LSU might be a little better on offense some years than others, but the defense/ST may not ever again come close to 2011 level. Meanwhile Bama stays consistently solid on defense and has evolved on offense.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:08 am to dstone12
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Clemson gameplans for Georgia techs gimmick offense in the middle of the season.
Or when Notre Dame plays Navy.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:08 am to AlexLSU
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Alabama is the best program in the country. They have the best coach in the country, they have signed five consecutive #1 recruiting classes and they arguably have more tradition than any other program in the country which breeds a "win at all costs" mentality that is hard to fabricate if you haven't, in fact, won a shite ton over the decades. Why do we think we should be better than Alabama and thus define our own team's worth by that one game? If we lost to Florida or Auburn, but beat Alabama, we'd still be 7-1. Most of us would prefer a 7-1 record with a win over Alabama though, because they are the biggest thorn in our side.
This. Looking at this from an outsiders perspective I think too much is put into this game and it causes the players and coaches to be tight. I work a lot in Baton Rouge and all I hear is we gotta beat yall, we gotta beat Bama, etc. I know 'the Saban factor" plays in but its killing the team with so much pressure on that one game.
To the other point, Bama has always been the bell cow for the conference. I know other teams have had moments but over the long haul it has always been that way. The culture at Alabama has always been built on football much the same way Kentucky has with basketball. I know people would like to see their team be the top SEC team but its probably not gonna happen on a consistent basis in football. Bama will slip here and there but will most of the time be the team in the conference. LSU has this in baseball. As much as I would like to be the team in baseball I know we arent gonna unseat LSU. THe resources and interest put into LSU baseball makes it impossible to beat them then you add the culture which is winning, heck we're beat before the first pitch.
A lot of posters only know LSU from 2000 forward but what you see from the Bama-LSU series is pretty much the way its been since they started playing. LSU is gonna win here and there but not more than Bama does in this game.
LSU has a good, solid program with good history and bowls, etc. Bama is in the group that consists of only 3 or 4 teams and its not by accident. Football in Alabama is a way of life and has been since the early 20's. Again, much like UK, it just attracts the best and they expect to win.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:08 am to panterica
I knew all of this stuff in your post and that's why I posted in a scoreboard thread that Saban has a vendetta vs LSU. People were trying to tell me that saying that invalidated the other points in my post.
The reality is that he does. He saw all the vitriol we hurled his way when he took the Bama job. He felt that we should've taken him back, and since we didn't he has made it his mission to beat us.
I like to subscribe that there's no way they keep getting the number one class yr after yr, but the results are proving it.
I still cannot believe we got manhandled that much. I think we need to stop scheduling a bye every yr before that game. It's obviously not helping us. It would be better served to have it after the Bama game.
Perhaps having two weeks to prepare for them is detrimental for the team mentally.
I suspect we may pull out a rare victory, but I actually doubt we beat them until one or both of the current coaches retires. The problem is that all they have to do is beat us and they go to Atlanta. We need them to lose twice. It's very tough for them to lose two regular season games.
The reality is that he does. He saw all the vitriol we hurled his way when he took the Bama job. He felt that we should've taken him back, and since we didn't he has made it his mission to beat us.
I like to subscribe that there's no way they keep getting the number one class yr after yr, but the results are proving it.
I still cannot believe we got manhandled that much. I think we need to stop scheduling a bye every yr before that game. It's obviously not helping us. It would be better served to have it after the Bama game.
Perhaps having two weeks to prepare for them is detrimental for the team mentally.
I suspect we may pull out a rare victory, but I actually doubt we beat them until one or both of the current coaches retires. The problem is that all they have to do is beat us and they go to Atlanta. We need them to lose twice. It's very tough for them to lose two regular season games.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:09 am to biglego
And, while people talk about not changing scheme, Kiffin has done it in the middle of the season twice in two years.
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:09 am to dstone12
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Clemson gameplans for Georgia techs gimmick offense in the middle of the season.
I swear LSU fans are obsessed with the word "gimmick". If you think GT runs a gimmick offense then what's not a gimmick?
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:09 am to RedTigerRulz
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So what? We fold the tent and sit around wringing our hands saying poor, pitiful us?
Of course not! Holy fricking balls, why must every conversation on the internet be laced with fricking hyperbole?
But what's wrong with standing up and acknowledging the fact that what they're doing is incredibly impressive? That it's SO impressive, and so close to home, that it's tarnished what would otherwise be the greatest run in our history?
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We don't pull out all the stops and adapt so that we can find a way to win?
I'm on record as saying that I'm open to a philosophical change designed to do just that.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:10 am to SabiDojo
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Alabama had lost like 90% of their offense when this season started. Yes, their defense was going to be nasty, but it hardly isn't.
Bama recruits the best and keeps them on campus. Bama replaces seniors with juniors. Unlike LSU who is perpetually young.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:11 am to Salmon
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no way of knowing that
absolutely no way
Who was Les Miles before he came to LSU?
A decent coach from Oklahoma STATE that no one knew about.
Who was Nick Saban before he went to Michigan State?
A decent NFL position coach no one knew about.
I can go on and on...
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:11 am to reauxl tigers7
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Until we recruit at there level every year, we aren't going to beat them at there own game.
wtf.Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:11 am to Roses of Crimson
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Alabama is the best program in the country. They have the best coach in the country, they have signed five consecutive #1 recruiting classes and they arguably have more tradition than any other program in the country which breeds a "win at all costs" mentality that is hard to fabricate if you haven't, in fact, won a shite ton over the decades. Why do we think we should be better than Alabama and thus define our own team's worth by that one game? If we lost to Florida or Auburn, but beat Alabama, we'd still be 7-1. Most of us would prefer a 7-1 record with a win over Alabama though, because they are the biggest thorn in our side.
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This.
If it were that set in stone, then Alabama would win the national championship every year. But they don't.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:12 am to RedTigerRulz
quote:So, you don't know. Figures.
always the go to when defending Miles. I'll tell you what was the better plan for this game.....ANY OTHER PLAN than the one we used.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:12 am to NorthEndZone
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I can go on and on...
and it would all be meaningless
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:15 am to AlexLSU
You are the loser of this fan base. We should just accept being second best. frick you.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:16 am to SabiDojo
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Here's the problem: we can beat Alabama.
2012 and 2014, we were better.
This year? We could have won. We had the firepower. We just don't know how to use it.
I agree that we can beat them, and we've been close more than once. We had a better game plan (for those that believe Les can never out scheme Saban) in 2012/2014. Unfortunately, we shot ourselves in the foot. We were awful last year, but the personal foul on Vadal when we settled for the 13-10 lead and subsequent kick out of bounds killed us. Is that on coaching, or players simply not making plays? An argument can be made either way.
We were pushed around in 2013/2015. Bad gameplan and inferior depth which adds credibility to Bama having better coaches and players.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:16 am to BHSU Only
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You are the loser of this fan base. We should just accept being second best. frick you.
How are you not accepting it?
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