re: Can we as a fan base not recognize that young QB's develop over time?

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And it happens at LSU too

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feel free to post stats then. Aren't you bragging about how much of a stat lover you are? Kinda funny how they suddenly disappear when I point out something specific like "other than Mett, most of our QB's under Miles improvement is sporadic at best, and they're not even average. It's bouncing between awful and mediocre". No stats to dispute that huh?

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What you said was irrational. QBs in the best of programs and under the best of coaches take steps backward. It happens. Not everyone progress upward each year.

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It's the rate in which it's happening at LSU. Especially considering that our QB's don't have to improve much to improve. We've got guys going from a 114 to a 138 to a 114 to a 138 QB rating with sporadic TD totals. While you've got guys like:

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Those are a few of the more recent multi year starting QB's in the SEC at "good" programs like LSU aspires to be off the top of my head. Excluding freshman/sophomore seasons where they had 10 attempts, they ALL improved from year to year. And they all ended up with a QBR over 150 at the end of their careers. Our QB's swim in mediocrity and struggle their asses off all throughout college. Do you not understand that having a 114 QBR isn't really normal? Mettenberger was the only person to break 150 at QBR in recent memory and his stats were barely as good as AJ McCarron's. Is this not a problem to you?

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Do LSU QBs consistently have their worst years as juniors?

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They consistently have absolutely terrible full seasons with QBR's of below 150 when they're not freshmen. So no, but who really cares? The point is that LSU quarterbacks consistently have more sub par seasons than any program in the country, and they don't improve noticeably from season to season under Miles

Sorry, meant to give you an up vote. Down vote was an oops.

bencoleman:

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I can't believe that this is even arguable. You have to jump through hoops and do cartwheels to claim that QBs progress here anywhere near how they progress at other programs. It just doesn't happen.

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southeasttiger113:

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Aren't you bragging about how much of a stat lover you are? Kinda funny how they suddenly disappear when I point out something specific like "other than Mett, most of our QB's under Miles improvement is sporadic at best, and they're not even average. It's bouncing between awful and mediocre". No stats to dispute that huh?

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I love how you use say: "QB's consistently having their worst years as juniors" when you are referring solely to Jefferson, and you say "most of our QB's under Miles" when you really just mean Lee and Jefferson. That's misleading but cute.

These stats use ALL games, not just SEC regular season games.

Lee, Jefferson, and Mettenberger got better from their first year as a starting QB to their last year as a starting QB.

Lee
QB Rating increased 35.11 points from 2008 to 2011
Comp% increased by 9.12% from 2008 to 2011
YPA increased by .86 yards from 2008 to 2011

Jefferson
QB Rating increased by 25.84 points from 2008 to 2011
Comp% increased by 11.68% from 2008 to 2011
YPA increased by 1.63 yards from 2008 to 2011

Mettenberger
QB Rating increased by 43.11 points from 2012 to 2013
Comp% increased by 6.06% from 2012 to 2013
YPA increased by 3.00 yards from 2012 to 2013

Now let's talk about the inconsistency of Lee and Jefferson. You posted the stats of a few QBs in the SEC, not all, not even most, just a few. However, even of the few you posted, the vast majority did not start as freshmen. And that's a factual and statistical problem for your argument. Starting early hampered Lee's and Jefferson's development.

Another problem with your argument is that Lee and Jefferson's coach for their early years was Crowton. He was a terrible QB developer. Miles let him go.

Finally, let's talk about the non-recurring cause of the early development problems for Lee and Jefferson.

For the February 2004 NSD, Saban did not have a QB commit or sign to play for LSU.

For the February 2005 NSD, Saban did not have a QB commit before he left for Miami.

Miles had to scramble to sign Perrilloux to play. When RP signed, there was no 2004 class QB, and he was the only 2005 class QB. In short, Saban fricked LSU before he left. With no peer competition, Perrilloux thought he could do whatever he pleased. Miles was forced to boot him, and THAT is what got LSU started down this road.

Lee and Jefferson and their hampered development are gone. Crowton is gone.

Mettenberger played much better with Cameron's development.

Harris had a near unbroken upward QB Rating trend this year until he was injured in the Alabama game. Nevertheless, Harris's true sophomore, first year starting numbers are better than some of the QB's you listed.

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We've got guys going from a 114 to a 138 to a 114 to a 138 QB rating with sporadic TD totals. While you've got guys like:

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This is a joke, right?

You listed two year starters that show the same development as Mett. You also listed QBs that are almost exactly as erratic as Jefferson and Lee in their development.

Let me see if I can summarize....

2005-2007 we had great QB play when Jimbo Fisher was developing Nick Saban's quarterbacks.
2008-2011 we had shitty QB play when Les Miles's OCs were developing Les Miles's quarterbacks.
2012-13 Mettenberger was the outlier.
2014-15 we had shitty QB play when Les Miles's OC was developing Les Miles's quarterbacks.

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Mett grossly underachieved at LSU and was really underutilized

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we haven't been developing qb's at lsu for a long time. the graphs can show they "improved" but that doesn't mean they developed.

JJ never developed. he was terrible as a qb. it can be argued that Mett wasn't developed here. no doubt he improved his senior season, but was that due to qb development? at any rate, he was an anomaly at LSU - a decent qb.

Jennings got better, but he hasn't developed. will harris?

point is, under miles leadership, we rarely get to see a qb developed to the point where he can lead the team. they may progress on the charts, but progress does not equal development.

I believe the main problem at LSU is not so much the coaching up of players as it is perpetually bringing in subpar quarterbacks that aren't utilized properly.

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And that unit wasn't even ranked in the top 35 in total offense. You do understand that just because the offense wasn't total shite doesn't mean that they didn't underachieve when you look at the ridiculous amount of talent on that team, right?

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On any given snap, there were only 8 teams in the country that scored more often than LSU and there were only 10 teams in the country that gained more yardage than LSU. They were also the most efficient third-down offense in the entire country.

Only an idiot would say that that offense underachieved.

Mett was already developed when he arrived,yes he did get better but the point here is this staff has never fully developed a QB

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I know that pussy logic like yours means that being barely in the top 10 should be acceptable at LSU but it isn't. Anything less than being the #1 offense in PPP and YPP was underachieving, especially when you look at our insane amount of talent.

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Alabama has the No. 1 recruiting class in the country on an annual basis. How often have they had the #1 offense in PPP and YPP?

The point is he improved but he already had development elsewhere