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re: Can we all agree the next two months decides the coaching direction we go?
Posted on 10/2/16 at 1:44 pm to tigerbacon
Posted on 10/2/16 at 1:44 pm to tigerbacon
I don't have to agree with anyone about anything. And it doesn't matter if we agree anyway.
This post was edited on 10/2/16 at 1:45 pm
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Posted on 10/2/16 at 1:44 pm to Bige11
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If O goes undefeated and wins the natty, LF7 wins the heisman, and Herman wants the job, I want Herman to have the job.
No...No and hell no!
Posted on 10/2/16 at 1:45 pm to Bige11
Because the next guy is guaranteed to do better?
It seems that the bar is that Orgeron has to beat Ole Miss and Alabama, right?
It seems that the bar is that Orgeron has to beat Ole Miss and Alabama, right?
Posted on 10/2/16 at 1:47 pm to Gray Tiger
There aren't guarantees, but look at the data. Would any other program hire O over Herman, no matter how well O does this year? The answer is obvious, so why would we? I want the best, no settling.
This post was edited on 10/2/16 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 10/2/16 at 1:47 pm to Cs
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So if we beat Florida, Texas A&M, and Arkansas, but lose to Ole Miss and Alabama, O still gets the job? We pay 10 million dollars to buyout Les, only to promote our defensive line coach that still can't beat Ole Miss and Alabama with one of the most talented LSU teams in year? Yeah, no. If Orgeron can't win out, he shouldn't be considered. No one would be wanting to retain Peveto if he was the interim coach and won out. Orgeron should receive the same treatment.
Exactly. I don't want LSU settling.
Motivation is wonderful. And delegating is wonderful. I still like to see LSU hire a very proven x and o's guy, especially on offense, if they can keep an elite defensive coaching staff.. the reason why is.. because if say a coordinator is terrible.. and you have to fire them.. it can stay ugly for some time.. and you can't always get the best OC.. however if you are say an offensive genius but the HC.. then it really isn't as important who your OC is.. they will most likely be successful.. see like an Urban Meyer.. constantly having success on offense and breeding OC's.. Or even on the flip side.. say you have an elite defensive x and o's HC.. like Nick Saban.. it's irrelevant who the DC is.. they are always elite at D.. Now some teams still struggling trying to find the right coordinator on the side, but not often teams that bring in the type of talent LSU brings in..
Miles was never and x and o's guy.. and while I think Coach O is a wonderful D line coach, and even motivator, he's never even been a DC. I do like the direction he is taking though. The team is already better prepared.
It just all depends who LSU can get.. I think O would need to win out. I hope we do win out, but even then I don't know that it's a given.. depending upon who else we could get..
Posted on 10/2/16 at 1:47 pm to Gray Tiger
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You didn't answer the question.
Peveto has a better winning percentage as a permanent head coach than Orgeron, yet there isn't a single LSU fan that would want Peveto to be retained as the permanent head coach of this program, even if he led this team to an undefeated record the rest of the way. If Peveto were hired permanently at LSU, "settling" would be a nice way of putting it.
Orgeron has an extensive history of failures as a head coach, both on and off the field. Paying 10 million dollars to buyout a national championship winning coach, only to promote your defensive line coach that has a losing record in the SEC is the definition of "settling".
I don't expect most LSU fans to understand this, though. They're deeply infatuated with Orgeron at this point - not because of his history as a head coach, but because he's just a crazy ole' cajun that just loves Louisiana. Which is apparently all that matters.
If they want him, they'll get him. And they'll all be back here in about 3 years wondering where the program went wrong.
This post was edited on 10/2/16 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 10/2/16 at 1:48 pm to tigerbacon
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We paid 10 mil
that's the problem, imo, hell, give O a shot, on a year to year basis, with compensation linked to performance, we're going to get the athletes here, but if the initial contract is lifetime career money and the coach gets too comfortable, most seem to lose the edge
Posted on 10/2/16 at 1:51 pm to Beaux
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I think Coach O needs to win out to be considered. Nothing else we are LSU , we don't settle for Orgeron, we go get the best coaching candidate out there
So everyone gets replaced unless they beat Alabama? Sorry, kid, that's not a useful test.
If the team is ready for the big games and plays hard to the end, with a viable game plan, that's the coach we want.
Posted on 10/2/16 at 1:53 pm to TBoy
I can't believe I read on here that even if Coach O wins a natty we should let him walk. 
Posted on 10/2/16 at 1:54 pm to SabiDojo
Tiger Rant
Posted on 10/2/16 at 1:57 pm to TBoy
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If the team is ready for the big games and plays hard to the end, with a viable game plan, that's the coach we want.
So if we lose to Arkansas, Alabama, and Ole Miss, but "played hard to the end and had a viable game plan", Orgeron should be hired permanently?
Why does this fan base keep giving Ed special treatment? There isn't another coach on this staff that could be given the interim position that fans would want to hire permanently after the end of the year, regardless of the results.
If Peveto was given the interim position and won the SEC, fans still wouldn't want him as the permanent head coach at LSU.
If Cameron was given the interim position and won the SEC, fans still wouldn't want him as the permanent head coach at LSU.
If Ensminger was given the interim position and won the SEC, fans still wouldn't want him as the permanent head coach at LSU.
And yet, one game in, and everyone is ready to give the job to Orgeron.
This post was edited on 10/2/16 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 10/2/16 at 1:58 pm to tigerbacon
Seems like people are just satisfied w/ hiring Orgeron and going 8-4 every year because he's a coonass. I don't understand it at all.
Posted on 10/2/16 at 2:00 pm to Gray Tiger
How long has Orgeron been around college football to only be the head coach at one school? That to me says a lot.
Posted on 10/2/16 at 2:00 pm to Cs
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giving Ed special treatment?
because he's special Ed?
Posted on 10/2/16 at 2:02 pm to HMTVBrian2
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Seems like people are just satisfied w/ hiring Orgeron and going 8-4 every year because he's a coonass. I don't understand it at all.
This is the only reason.
If they don't admit it, they're either being disingenuous, or they're just so hopelessly enchanted by Ed's cajun spell that they can't step back for one second and think rationally.
Posted on 10/2/16 at 2:02 pm to Gray Tiger
quote:First off, nobody is guaranteed to do anything.
Because the next guy is guaranteed to do better?
I think there's a reason he hasn't even been considered for a HC job anywhere since Ole Miss. He went 6-2 with a mediocre USC team and no decent schools want him for anything other than recruiting.
I like the man and I want to win every game, but we can really do better. We have to think long term and whats best for the program.
Posted on 10/2/16 at 2:03 pm to Cs
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Cs
Let me see if I understand you.
Orgeron shouldn't be considered because:
Peveto has won more game as LSU head coach than Orgeron has?
Orgeron failed at Ole Miss after following Houston Hutt, and his performance at USCw is an after thought?
His past battles with alcohol still linger?
Finally because the LSU fans are just stupid but you, the master of all intelligence, knows better?
Cleaning house and bringing in the next flavor of the month has worked so well at Tennessee, USCw, Texas?
Is that the gist of it?
Ok you win.
Posted on 10/2/16 at 2:04 pm to HMTVBrian2
Have an upvote or two.
Posted on 10/2/16 at 2:04 pm to SabiDojo
quote:I would consider him then, sure. Let's see what happens.
I can't believe I read on here that even if Coach O wins a natty we should let him walk.
This post was edited on 10/2/16 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 10/2/16 at 2:09 pm to tigerbacon
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If Coach O goes 6-2 after the miles fire he gets the job
Disagree. I think he at least has to go 7-1 and beat Bama,
I still think regardless Herman gets the first look. Really only if we can't get him onboard then do we consider O. Which sucks because I think we obviously all want to keep O. But this next hire will define LSU for the coming years.
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