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re: Burrow & SEC QBs drop rate vs NFL's - CFB Film Room Debunked
Posted on 1/18/19 at 3:25 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
Posted on 1/18/19 at 3:25 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
I love it when someone finds “stats” or opinions on the internet and thinks they just dropped facts because hey it’s on the internet
Posted on 1/18/19 at 10:14 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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Sorry, but CFB is a bunch of unpaid dudes expressing their opinion in numbers. A lot like Tiger Rant.
But you, alter-boy, are a Paid Dude.
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And ESPN and NFL.com aren't even flawless - but they're light years better than CFB.
What if they were sharing data?
quote:This is total BS. The charts say the same thing in different formats.
OP: Buckeye Jeaux
NFL's drop chart for 2016 -
Worst drop-rate in the NFL - 5.5%
Worst drop-rate in SEC - 25.3% (according to CFB) LOL
How did you make such an egregious oversight? Not like you and the Cheeri-O faction to go HAM over a trivial point like drop rate. You are all Big Picture Guys and pretty straight shooters who hold the best interest of LSU and the Players above any vested or personal financial interests.
I am sure it will be easy to go back and completely rethink your Drop Rate Chart and how it is in different units from "Highest % of Incompletions Resulting from Drops". If you remove any Confirmation Bias or Narrative Meme it takes very little work to make the conversion, knowing elementary math, comprehension and chart reading skills, Oeaux-High-Oeaux Joeaux.
Your whole Rant on this topic, attacking the CFB, does not take into consideration that every drop rate calculation comes with the disclaimer that someone has to determine if the ball was catchable. There are so many factors to consider, wind, moon, stars, temp, Pressure, OL, etc. Scheme is much more important IMHO.
After you Correct The Record (Libtard speak for walking it back) please explain your positions you champion:
A) Burrow is better than Haskins,
B) Why Urban stepped down, or was forced out by SJW Snowflakes as you claim - SJW Snowflakes are southern Alt-right Pepe the Frog pejoratives you would not expect to hear in Ohio.
C) Ryan Day being a "nice guys finish last" Pro-Style OC
D) Why Justin Fields was so eager to work with ONLY him
E) How you think any HC candidate should have 10 yrs experience before he takes over a big Power 5 school like Ohio State, LSU too?
F) Why you think O&E mentoring a 5th year OSU QB like Burrow are set to take a HUGE step forward from the bottom of the SEC/FBS to the Top without some Offensive Makeover in terms of Scheme.
I seem to have my facts confused and seek your words of wisdom.
Buckeye JOEauxx TD Thread: The SJW Snowflakes at Ohio State finally got their way. Meyer is out
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8. CFB went around the Ohio State boards.. CFB’s numbers claimed Parris Campbell had about the worst Drop Rate in the Big Ten (Pure BS) – Mel Kiper and Walter Football both have Campbell as the #2 WR Draft pick for 2019. OSU does keep drop stats - Campbell had 1 drop in '17.
Would you share this insider information you referenced on "CFB went around the Ohio State boards" (unpaid dude boards?) the numbers for Campbell, etc.
Burrow is definitely better than the Scheme & OC/QB Coaching he is getting at LSU. I'll give you that. But you will have to hang that on O&E and the decade-long history of QB troubles going back to when Jimbo left. He was the last member of Mark Emmert's Flagship Agenda which turned around LSU Athletics in 1 year. Now Jimbo and AD Woodward are at A&M. Emmert and Woodward worked together at Washington rebuilding that program after their LSU makeover. LSU needs an Offensive guru like Jimbo, Dabo, or Ryan Day.

Posted on 1/19/19 at 7:30 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Of course you didn’t read. It’s s completely factual post with supporting evidence that puts an end to your stupidity. You’re the biggest bitch on this site. Why would you read something like that?
All year you have told this board that 1. joe burrow is a better quarterback than Dwayne haskins and 2. Joe burrow is a top 5 quarterback in college football. You've said repeatedly that everyone would see both of these things to be true by the end of year.
It’s now the end of the year. State your case for each of those things being true.
All year you have told this board that 1. joe burrow is a better quarterback than Dwayne haskins and 2. Joe burrow is a top 5 quarterback in college football. You've said repeatedly that everyone would see both of these things to be true by the end of year.
It’s now the end of the year. State your case for each of those things being true.
Posted on 1/19/19 at 8:46 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Piss on the haters Jeaux. You do you and frick them.
Posted on 1/19/19 at 1:28 pm to Open Your Eyes
Tua
Fromm
Taamu
Lock
Shurmur.
All better, and that is just SEC QBs
Tier 2
Burrow
Franks
Mond
Fromm
Taamu
Lock
Shurmur.
All better, and that is just SEC QBs
Tier 2
Burrow
Franks
Mond
Posted on 1/19/19 at 2:56 pm to tigerfoot
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Tua
Fromm
Taamu
Lock
Shurmur.
All better, and that is just SEC QBs
If you are simplistically comparing season-long stats, than sure.
If you know enough about the passing game to understand that QBs & WRs need time to develop timing and chemistry then the season-long stats don't mean much for LSU.
If you look at the end of the season, LSU's passing game compares very well with thae top SEC QBs (Tua, Fromm, Shumur, and Burrow are all within 2% in completion percentage - Ta'Amu is about 5 points behind)
This post was edited on 1/19/19 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 1/19/19 at 3:06 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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If you know enough about the passing game to understand that QBs & WRs need time to develop timing and chemistry then the season-long stats don't mean much for LSU.
Trevor Lawrence says whats up. Fromm says what's up - he was a freshman last year, when they went to the natty. Easton says whats up - the freshman that fromm surplanted that was a freshman the year before. Taamu is a first year starter. Tua is a first year starter - his first game was that natty he won. Or did you forget about Jalen Hurts, who went to the natty as a freshman.
and before anyone says ya but they were 5 stars - ya well that's a WHOLE lot of em. So, to be fair, and honest - Orgeron still has not landed a big time QB, or they can't develop one. One of those two.
Posted on 1/19/19 at 3:06 pm to RB10
quote:You're in a battle of wits with an unarmed man, my friend
Yes. NFL defensive backs are better than college defensive backs. In fact, the worst NFL (insert any position group here) is better than the best college (insert any position group here).
You're a fricking moron.
Posted on 1/19/19 at 4:32 pm to TrevRollings29
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Trevor Lawrence says whats up. Fromm says what's up - he was a freshman last year, when they went to the natty. Easton says whats up - the freshman that fromm surplanted that was a freshman the year before. Taamu is a first year starter. Tua is a first year starter - his first game was that natty he won. Or did you forget about Jalen Hurts, who went to the natty as a freshman.
Thanks for proving my point. ALL the QBs you mentioned were Early Enrollees. so they ALL got Spring Practice and months of off-season workouts with their WRs that JB didn't get.
BTW, I've read that Burrow couldn't get many WRs to attend passing workouts last Summer. I doubt that will be a problem this Summer (or this Winter)
This post was edited on 1/19/19 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 1/19/19 at 6:26 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
You blamed the WR and OC, here.
You say the QB and WRs need time to gel. Cardale Jones started his first 3 games in the playoffs and won the first CFPNC in 2014.
Urban Meyer brought Ryan Day to Ohio State nearly two years ago to disrupt the offense. He wanted the innovative offensive mind to help take the unit to new heights.
Gene Smith and the higher-ups at the university selected Day as Ohio State’s new head coach in order to maintain the status of a program that Meyer spent the past seven years building.
During his seven seasons, Meyer has accumulated an 82-9 record and beat Michigan all seven times the Buckeyes played them in the annual rivalry game. His team didn’t lose a single game in his first season as head coach, going 12-0, and Ohio State won the national championship with a third-string quarterback two years later. The Buckeyes finished first, or tied for first, in their division all seven years and won the Big Ten title the past two seasons.
What? Urban went 12-0 in his first year and Coach O needs 4 to do better than 3rd in the SECW?
Millions watched on television and more than 100,000 people were in Ohio Stadium when Urban Meyer fell to one knee in the fourth quarter of his team’s 49-26 win against Indiana on Oct. 6.
The seventh-year Ohio State coach had nowhere to hide.
Meyer went to the ground holding his head because he was dealing with what would eventually end his run as Ohio State’s head coach: a severe headache caused by an arachnoid cyst in his brain.
During the meeting, Smith helped to design out a plan that curtailed Meyer’s headaches and minimized their effects during games. After speaking to doctors, Smith realized Meyer needed to keep his headset on as much as possible.
“Because it keeps the noise out,” Smith said. “The noise is a stimulant for the headache. So, I had the doctors there. What's the stimuli that causes headaches? The intensity.”
Smith said they kept a close eye on his intensity. Voltolini, who is in his 18th season working with Meyer and will be retained as general manager on soon-to-be head coach Ryan Day’s staff, was tasked with hitting him on the hip whenever his intensity rose too much.
“When he started to scream, Volt would hit him,” Smith said. “Most people didn't even notice that. You go look at it. You can find it. There's times when Volt” – Smith made a motion of Voltolini slapping Meyer on the side of his hip – “and walk away.”
“THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE ARE MISSING IS THE HEALTH WAS A BIG PART OF IT. SO, WHETHER HE COMES BACK AND COACH, I THINK IT DEPENDS ON THAT. BECAUSE HE'S NOT STUPID, NOW. HE KNOWS THAT THAT COULD TAKE HIM OUT.”
– GENE SMITH
Fields and Ohio State Heisman finalist Dwayne Haskins have trained together with quarterback trainer Quincy Avery. In late July, Fields tweeted photos of a training session led by Avery that included Haskins, Fields and the Texans’ QB Deshaun Watson.
Quincy Avery expressed his support and his trust in Day. This is what he tweeted earlier this month:
“If I had a son who played Quarterback I would 100% want him to play for Ryan Day.”
Coach Ryan Day has proven his worth to the Buckeyes since he was hired by Coach Meyer in 2017. His 2018 offense was #2 in the nation accounting for over 7,000 yards and 70 touchdowns with an average of 548.8 yards per game.
In addition to these impressive numbers, coach Day has proven his ability to nurture and develop young quarterbacks on all levels. The list includes Dwayne Haskins, Sam Bradford and Colin Kaepernick.

This post was edited on 1/19/19 at 6:29 pm
Posted on 1/19/19 at 6:47 pm to SEC Grapevine
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You say the QB and WRs need time to gel. Cardale Jones started his first 3 games in the playoffs and won the first CFPNC in 2014.
Jones was in his 3rd year at Ohio State in 2014. He had thrown to most of the OSU WR's for 2 to 3 seasons - And thrown to Michael Thomas for 4 seasons - they were room mates at Fork Union.
If you don't understand by now, you never will. QBs and WRs have to practice for months before they begin to synch up. And the development of chemistry and timing happens on the practice field. NOT on game days.
This post was edited on 1/19/19 at 9:59 pm
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