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Building your team one year at a time vs building a program
Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:54 am
Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:54 am
Just read where CJJ said this. With the transfer portal and NIL, this is where we’re headed every year. Glad Coach recognizes this and planning to adapt. Wonder if this year’s team development (slow start - strong finish) will be the new norm?
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Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:04 pm to Tomball Tiger 2
Coaches have to adapt to the current transfers/portal/NIL era. Adapt or get left behind.
I have faith in our coach do try to get any advantage he can for LSU baseball program.
I have faith in our coach do try to get any advantage he can for LSU baseball program.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:04 pm to Tomball Tiger 2
I hope he realizes that Louisiana guys like Frey and Travinski are more likely to stick around than guys from out of state. Not saying he shouldn't sign the best prospects he can, just saying that he should make sure to sign the top LA guys every year because they will be more willing to stick it out and develop.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:06 pm to Tomball Tiger 2
That's probably a pretty good assement of college baseball. Half of our starting lineup each of the last two seasons was made up of transfers/portal players, as well as our pitching aces each year.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:06 pm to Tomball Tiger 2
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Glad Coach recognizes this and planning to adapt.
This should have been way more obvious, even in baseball, long before this.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:23 pm to LSUfan4444
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This should have been way more obvious, even in baseball, long before this.
The best team in the country was built through traditional recruiting with only a couple accent pieces from the portal.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:29 pm to ProjectP2294
ProjectP2294 - it’ll be interesting to see how college baseball evolves - combo of recruiting plus portal.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:32 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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I hope he realizes that Louisiana guys like Frey and Travinski are more likely to stick around than guys from out of state.
The reality now a days is the only reason guys stick around to develop is they don’t have a better offer on the table.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:32 pm to Tomball Tiger 2
Building the program is centered around retaining coaches and support personnel. Keeping the processes, mission, and methods consistent. Players have always come in and out of college sports for a variety of reasons and no two teams are ever the same or even close to the same year to year. That part isn’t new
You build each individual team inside of your program. Skip used to say the system stays the same and the names and faces change.
You build each individual team inside of your program. Skip used to say the system stays the same and the names and faces change.
This post was edited on 6/19/24 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:33 pm to Tomball Tiger 2
No matter the sport, you can’t build a culture year to year from the portal. You have to have a backbone built from traditional recruiting. You can get older and patch holes, but you can’t be consistently great by turning over your roster every year.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:35 pm to Tiger1242
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The reality now a days is the only reason guys stick around to develop is they don’t have a better offer on the table.
Not if you get a group that buys in.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:35 pm to Tomball Tiger 2
It’s not just baseball, it’s college sports in general.
The days of having guys in your system 4-5 years for any sport are gone
The days of having guys in your system 4-5 years for any sport are gone
Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:42 pm to sunnydaze
You have to to do what's best for the progrum.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:44 pm to ProjectP2294
Project, you are 100% right.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:53 pm to Tomball Tiger 2
There are very few programs, if any, better equipped to thrive in this era of college baseball than LSU. They are essentially the Dodger or Yankees of the sport compared to schools like Wofford who deal with the reality of even if they hit on a great player he likely won't be there long because the LSU's of the sport can offer a big contract Wofford can't match.
LSU is a destination program for great HS players. It isn't the only one, but is among the handful that exist. That means, ideally, Johnson can sign a great HS prospect class each season and supplement his roster with experienced "high price" free agents. VERY few college baseball programs can match that either because they don't have the resources to do so. Or, if they have the resources, they don't have the desire to do so given baseball's general status as a "minor" college sport.
The bottom line is this: Outside of a season with numerous out of the ordinary issues (such as a rash of significant injuries to key players), LSU should NEVER have a poor season. "Poor" being a season they don't make the NCAA Tournament...which almost happened this season. The program just has far too many built in advantages relative to the rest of the schools that participate in the sport. UNC is a very good program. The school and its donors aren't going to commit the same resources that LSU and its donors will because the desire to do so simply isn't there. Hell, you could say the same thing about Florida...and they have been one of the best programs in the country.
LSU is a destination program for great HS players. It isn't the only one, but is among the handful that exist. That means, ideally, Johnson can sign a great HS prospect class each season and supplement his roster with experienced "high price" free agents. VERY few college baseball programs can match that either because they don't have the resources to do so. Or, if they have the resources, they don't have the desire to do so given baseball's general status as a "minor" college sport.
The bottom line is this: Outside of a season with numerous out of the ordinary issues (such as a rash of significant injuries to key players), LSU should NEVER have a poor season. "Poor" being a season they don't make the NCAA Tournament...which almost happened this season. The program just has far too many built in advantages relative to the rest of the schools that participate in the sport. UNC is a very good program. The school and its donors aren't going to commit the same resources that LSU and its donors will because the desire to do so simply isn't there. Hell, you could say the same thing about Florida...and they have been one of the best programs in the country.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 1:02 pm to ProjectP2294
Well all of the sports are showing you need a bunch of older experienced guys.
How do you get there is the question. The portal
obviously can get you older experienced guys. The harder part is keeping the younger guys wanting to stay longer so they can eventually become that older more experienced player. Kling and Neal were brought along even more than their play dictated but they still bailed.
How do you get there is the question. The portal
obviously can get you older experienced guys. The harder part is keeping the younger guys wanting to stay longer so they can eventually become that older more experienced player. Kling and Neal were brought along even more than their play dictated but they still bailed.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 1:31 pm to Basura Blanco
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Half of our starting lineup each of the last two seasons was made up of transfers/portal players
The NC team only had Tommy White as an everyday transfer portal guy. The pitching staff was more portal heavy but I'd argue it was because the pitching staff was left so bare.
1B: Tre Morgan - HS recruit
2B: Gavin Dugas - HS recruit
3B: Tommy White - Transfer
SS: Jordan Thompson - HS recruit
C: Alex Milazzo - HS recruit
RF: Brayden Jobert - JC Recruit
CF: Dylan Crews - HS recruit
LF: Josh Pearson - HS recruit
DH: Cade Beloso - HS recruit
SP: Paul Skenes - Transfer
SP: Ty Floyd - HS recruit
SP: Thatcher Hurd - Transfer
RP: Reiley Cooper - Transfer
RP: Nate Auckenhausen - JC Recruit
RP: Griffin Herring - HS recruit
RP: Gavin Guidry - HS recruit
RP Javen Coleman - HS recruit
Posted on 6/19/24 at 1:54 pm to ProjectP2294
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The best team in the country was built through traditional recruiting with only a couple accent pieces from the portal.
No doubt. I think guys really love playing for Vitello. And they like the culture of confidence and swag that he has fostered, so he's got a lot of buy-in. Nap alluded to it in another thread, but I can see where Jay's guarantees and higher NIL for the portal guys can be a turn off for the guys he recruits out of high school. And I know he loves to recruit and build guys up, but you can't keep telling guys "you could be the next Dylan Crews" or whoever and then not play them.
I think he was forced to do that at 1st to turn the program around (he had to promise Jacob Berry a starting position in his 1st year and he had to promise Tommy White the sane in his 2nd), but he probably does need to adjust his pitches a bit. And like some others have mentioned, he might want to start taking more Louisiana kids who are more likely to buy in and stick around to be developed into guys that can contribute in their 3rd and maybe even 4th years if they redshirted.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 2:14 pm to Hot Carl
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he might want to start taking more Louisiana kids who are more likely to buy in and stick around to be developed
It would help if the state produced more talent.
Tennessee has really capitalized on in state talent, and their state just produces a lot more of it than Louisiana does.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 2:21 pm to Hot Carl
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And I know he loves to recruit and build guys up, but you can't keep telling guys "you could be the next Dylan Crews" or whoever and then not play them.
It's got to be a tough balancing act. The next Dylan Crews might sign that pro contract out of HS because I could see the team that drafted him saying you better sign because if you don't produce as a freshman, you're going to get recruited over through the portal.
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