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re: BRPD: Investigation Ongoing, Arrests Could Still Be Made, May Be 10 Days

Posted on 8/23/11 at 5:07 pm to
Posted by Tigerdew
The Garden District of Da' Parish
Member since Dec 2003
14941 posts
Posted on 8/23/11 at 5:07 pm to
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In this case, there are multiple witnesses with the only denials being the players (as reported at this point).


BRPD said they have witnesses to back both stories.
Posted by liquid rabbit
Boxtard BPB®© emeritus
Member since Mar 2006
64527 posts
Posted on 8/23/11 at 5:08 pm to
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Jeez, what is it with you grammar nazis?

FIFY
Posted by Cadello
Eunice
Member since Dec 2007
48856 posts
Posted on 8/23/11 at 5:08 pm to
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Wrong. Stone and White said they have witnesses that corroborate the player's story.
True ..said they were looking for a 3rd party not connected to the other 2 parties.

I think everyone should be drug tested.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
60179 posts
Posted on 8/23/11 at 5:08 pm to
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BRPD said they have witnesses to back both stories.


The point remains. The fact that there was a fight, injuries, and witnesses is enough to charge, not necessarily convict
Posted by tuptiger
Member since Jan 2008
4314 posts
Posted on 8/23/11 at 5:08 pm to
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Here are the facts:

1. There was a fight
2. 4 people were injured
3. Those injuries are apparent and clear
4. Those injured accused certain football players
5. Other witnesses accused the football players


6. The football players denied it

= Enough to be charged.


Here are some unknowns that probably can't be proven:

1. Who actually instigated the fight
2. Who actually caused the most severe injuries

I understand that they could be charged. To be honest, I wouldn't have a problem if someone were charged, but you can see where this is headed.

They're going to interview fifteen witnesses who all saw something different, and in one week, they will have no new information to form a relatively firm conclusion on the two unknowns listed above.

This will drag out, and eventually, they will charge one of the players just because someone had three vertebra broken. This will go to trial, and it will plea for a misdemeanor.

My entire problem revolves around this: The BRPD's case is not going to become any less circumstantial. Just go with what you have, or leave it where it lies.
Posted by Lonnie4LSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
9525 posts
Posted on 8/23/11 at 5:09 pm to
quote:

to my knowledge, whether or not someone is charged with a crime heavily depends on the likelihood of the charges sticking and the odds of winning in court, which in this instance, seem slim.


Bingo!

As long as it remains he said and he said with no independent witness, as it seems the police are saying now, this case never sees court. imo

Posted by TheDoc
doc is no more
Member since Dec 2005
99297 posts
Posted on 8/23/11 at 5:11 pm to
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We still dont know what caused the broken bones so it was just a bar fight as far as we know.
Unless someone here has evidence of the contrary.


That's what I'm saying
Posted by harry coleman beast
Left Field
Member since Aug 2008
52230 posts
Posted on 8/23/11 at 5:11 pm to
quote:

Here are some unknowns that probably can't be proven:

1. Who actually instigated the fight
2. Who actually caused the most severe injuries

I understand that they could be charged. To be honest, I wouldn't have a problem if someone were charged, but you can see where this is headed.

They're going to interview fifteen witnesses who all saw something different, and in one week, they will have no new information to form a relatively firm conclusion on the two unknowns listed above.

This will drag out, and eventually, they will charge one of the players just because someone had three vertebra broken. This will go to trial, and it will plea for a misdemeanor.

My entire problem revolves around this: The BRPD's case is not going to become any less circumstantial. Just go with what you have, or leave it where it lies.


Nice post.
Posted by jrodLSUke
Premium
Member since Jan 2011
25776 posts
Posted on 8/23/11 at 5:11 pm to
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gaucho85


You should post more often
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
60179 posts
Posted on 8/23/11 at 5:12 pm to
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As long as it remains he said and he said with no independent witness, as it seems the police are saying now, this case never sees court. imo


It's not just "he" said "he" said. The actual injuries, regardless of what happened, serve as evidence against the players. The same logic is used in domestic violence cases.
This post was edited on 8/23/11 at 5:13 pm
Posted by DocBugbear
Arlington, Texas
Member since Mar 2008
8139 posts
Posted on 8/23/11 at 5:12 pm to
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As long as it remains he said and he said with no independent witness, as it seems the police are saying now, this case never sees court. imo


I could see all 8 being charged with disorderly conduct (or something of that nature). Suspend the players for a game or two and let's move on.
Posted by windhammontanatigers
windham-stanford, montana
Member since Nov 2009
4993 posts
Posted on 8/23/11 at 5:12 pm to
Th anks for the Oregon image, nice to have a break to take a look at something like that among all else that is going on.
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
35786 posts
Posted on 8/23/11 at 5:13 pm to
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I think everyone should be drug tested.


Posted by GoSaintz
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2010
272 posts
Posted on 8/23/11 at 5:13 pm to
BRPD could choose to charge ALL parties with fighting.

Happens when you get he said he said.

§103. Disturbing the peace

A. Disturbing the peace is the doing of any of the following in such manner as would foreseeably disturb or alarm the public:

(1) Engaging in a fistic encounter; or

(2) Addressing any offensive, derisive, or annoying words to any other person who is lawfully in any street, or other public place; or call him by any offensive or derisive name, or make any noise or exclamation in his presence and hearing with the intent to deride, offend, or annoy him, or to prevent him from pursuing his lawful business, occupation, or duty; or

(3) Appearing in an intoxicated condition; or

(4) Engaging in any act in a violent and tumultuous manner by any three or more persons; or

(5) Holding of an unlawful assembly; or

(6) Interruption of any lawful assembly of people; or

(7) Intentionally engaging in any act or any utterance, gesture, or display designed to disrupt a funeral, funeral home viewing, funeral procession, wake, memorial service, or burial of a deceased person.

(8) Intentionally blocking, impeding, inhibiting, or in any other manner obstructing or interfering with access into or from any building or parking lot of a building in which a funeral, wake, memorial service, or burial is being conducted, or any burial plot or the parking lot of the cemetery in which a funeral, wake, memorial service, or burial is being conducted.

B.(1) Whoever commits the crime of disturbing the peace shall be fined not more than one hundred dollars or imprisoned for not more than ninety days, or both.

(2) Whoever commits the crime of disturbing the peace as provided in Paragraphs (A)(7) and (8) of this Section shall be fined not more than one hundred dollars or imprisoned for not more than six months, or both.
Posted by tigerfan1
Member since Jan 2007
1762 posts
Posted on 8/23/11 at 5:13 pm to
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This post was edited on 8/25/11 at 4:03 am
Posted by TheDoc
doc is no more
Member since Dec 2005
99297 posts
Posted on 8/23/11 at 5:13 pm to
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Suspend the players for a game or two and let's move on.


When Kyle anderson caused fractures he was kicked off the team.
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
35786 posts
Posted on 8/23/11 at 5:14 pm to
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The fact that there was a fight, injuries, and witnesses is enough to charge, not necessarily convict


Charge who? Everyone?
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
60179 posts
Posted on 8/23/11 at 5:14 pm to
quote:

Charge who? Everyone?


Possible
Posted by Clockwatcher68
Youngsville
Member since May 2006
7713 posts
Posted on 8/23/11 at 5:15 pm to
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Wrong. Stone and White said they have witnesses that corroborate the player's story.




The classic "new witnesses" maneuver.
Posted by Tigerdew
The Garden District of Da' Parish
Member since Dec 2003
14941 posts
Posted on 8/23/11 at 5:15 pm to
I'm still waiting for EricB to tell me who caused the fractured vertebrae since he's been douching it up here for 3 days now.
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