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re: Brian Kelly vs Les Miles CFB HOF
Posted on 6/25/24 at 2:18 pm to turnpiketiger
Posted on 6/25/24 at 2:18 pm to turnpiketiger
I don't get why the Les Miles haters LOVE BK. Why does BK get such a pass on his flaws when Miles get roasted for similar. Is it because we won the West and beat Bama in year one?
Doesn't matter if it was Miles' first year or last, if he loses 40-13 at home like BK did to Tenn he gets roasted. Why does BK get a pass? A shot at the playoffs but BK gets smoked by an A&M team everyone was making fun of. Why does BK get a pass when Miles would've been crucified? Go to the SEC championship and look just as unprepared and ready as a Miles team against Bama. Why does BK get a pass? Have a whole offseason of hyping the FSU game and we get beat by 3 scores. Why does BK get a pass? Waste a Heisman Trophy QB to a 9-3 regular season because we can't field a division 1 defense. If not for the Heisman QB we probably lose at least 2-3 more games. Why does BK get a pass?
I'm not saying BK needs to go and he is a bad coach, but he hasn't done anything here Miles didn't. Why does he walk on water for LSU fans while Miles is chopped liver? Makes no sense to me.
Doesn't matter if it was Miles' first year or last, if he loses 40-13 at home like BK did to Tenn he gets roasted. Why does BK get a pass? A shot at the playoffs but BK gets smoked by an A&M team everyone was making fun of. Why does BK get a pass when Miles would've been crucified? Go to the SEC championship and look just as unprepared and ready as a Miles team against Bama. Why does BK get a pass? Have a whole offseason of hyping the FSU game and we get beat by 3 scores. Why does BK get a pass? Waste a Heisman Trophy QB to a 9-3 regular season because we can't field a division 1 defense. If not for the Heisman QB we probably lose at least 2-3 more games. Why does BK get a pass?
I'm not saying BK needs to go and he is a bad coach, but he hasn't done anything here Miles didn't. Why does he walk on water for LSU fans while Miles is chopped liver? Makes no sense to me.
This post was edited on 6/25/24 at 2:41 pm
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Posted on 6/25/24 at 9:56 pm to turnpiketiger
Not much of a comparison with Coach Miles. One of the all time player development coaches.
If Saban hadnt went to Bama. Miles and LSU wouldve went on one of the greatest runs the sport has seen. Miles instilled a confidence into his players that they were always going to find a way to win the game. A very rare trait for a head coach.
Kelly's run at ND was good but alot of coaches wouldve been able to accomplish similar results there. You have to win the big games and especially game 1 to be in Miles' neighborhood. :The special teams and defense from 2 years ago and whatever that was on defense last year isnt going to get it done in the SEC.
If Saban hadnt went to Bama. Miles and LSU wouldve went on one of the greatest runs the sport has seen. Miles instilled a confidence into his players that they were always going to find a way to win the game. A very rare trait for a head coach.
Kelly's run at ND was good but alot of coaches wouldve been able to accomplish similar results there. You have to win the big games and especially game 1 to be in Miles' neighborhood. :The special teams and defense from 2 years ago and whatever that was on defense last year isnt going to get it done in the SEC.
This post was edited on 6/25/24 at 10:08 pm
Posted on 6/25/24 at 10:07 pm to LosTigres251
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Kelly's run at ND was good but alot of coaches wouldve been able to accomplish similar results there.
he’s the winningest coach in the history of that program.
so literally nobody else that ever tried has won as many games there as he did.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 10:08 pm to Nutriaitch
They play alot more games now than they used to,
Posted on 6/25/24 at 10:10 pm to LosTigres251
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They play alot more games now than they used to,
ok, he lasted longer there than anybody not named Knute Rockne.
so again literally everyone else that has tried didn’t put up those results.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 10:18 pm to Nutriaitch
Coach Miles is the most accomplished head coach at LSU in the history of the program. Kelly may have won more games but he's not the most accomplished coach at ND.
This post was edited on 6/25/24 at 10:19 pm
Posted on 6/25/24 at 10:36 pm to LosTigres251
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Kelly may have won more games but he's not the most accomplished coach at ND.
I never said he was the most accomplished.
I'm saying that in the 150 years of Notre Dame football, the list of guys that have tried and outperformed him there is really short.
so the notion that there is this list of "a lot" of guys that would have done similar is just not true.
sure if they had managed to land a Saban, Meyer, etc. those guys would have topped him.
but to think "a lot" of college coaches would have done it is just being disingenuous.
because many have tried, and vast majority of them failed.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 6:21 am to turnpiketiger
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No. LSU won that natty despite Les. Not because of Les. He did all he could to frick it up and they still somehow hoisted it at the end.
And now we get to the nugget. You just for some reason hate the winningest coach in LSU football history so much that you decided to create a thread just to bash him, all of these years later.
Let it go, dude. For your own sake, get a therapist and let it go.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 9:23 am to turnpiketiger
I can understand the Les trash talk considering his last seasons at LSU were less than desirable. And yeah he made some dumb bone headed decisions. But saying the team won the championship in spite of Les being coach is just stupid. While we lucked out that more dumb things didn’t happen with Les at the helm, it was his program and his players. The program didn’t just “run” without his influence.
It’s Les’s natty just like it was Saban’s and O’s.
It’s Les’s natty just like it was Saban’s and O’s.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 1:33 pm to Falco
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I don't even know why y'all entertain this dude. He doesn't actually care about facts or don't scourse just that his opinion is "right" about Les Miles. As I said before Les needed to go but he was a great coach for 11 years at LSU. Y'all be wasting time even trying to argue with people who can't even admit that, their perception is so flawed it is laughable. It's best to just move on from the argument and let them feel that they "won" something because it's the only satisfaction they have in their pathetic lives.
I honestly cannot fathom how y'all just forget how atrocious some of the losses, and even some of the wins were under Les Miles. Don't believe me?
How about the loss to 5-7 Arkansas in 2008, blowing a two score 2nd half lead in the process?
How about getting hammered by a 5 loss Auburn team in 2014 41-7?
How about blowing a 2 score 4th quarter lead against Clemson in 2012, a game in which LSU managed a total of 1 yard of offense in the 4th? Keep in mind, Jeremy Hill was averaging over 10 yards a carry that game but didn't touch the ball in the 4th quarter.
How about getting shut out with Leonard Fournette against a 5 loss Arkansas team in 2015?
What about all the promised changes offensively only to go up to Lambeau in 2016 and manage 14 pts in a loss?
How about later that season when he only scored 13 pts in another loss to a 5 loss Auburn team?
How about giving up 50 to a 5 loss Arkansas team in 2007 that should've lost us a shot at the natty?
What about earlier that year when he blew it against 5 loss Kentucky?
How about blowing a 3 td halftime lead against Tennessee in 2005?
Remember the Ole Miss clock it game? I do.
Remember getting shut out by Alabama in a title game where we didn't cross the 50 yard line until the end of the game?
What about 2010 against Tennessee when LSU should've lost if not for Dooley having too many men on the field?
Les Miles' inability to run a coherent offense or manage a clock for that matter directly cost LSU multiple games they had zero business losing. And outside of the natty, I didn’t list any of the other Bama games when Les’ teams were absolutely helpless offensively. Didn’t even threaten them. Not competitive at all.
This post was edited on 6/26/24 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 6/26/24 at 3:51 pm to Salviati
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So you're including Kelly's years at Grand Valley State, Central Michigan, and Cincinnati?
I think a more fair and accurate comparison would be Miles' 12 years at LSU versus Kelly's 12 years at Notre Dame.
And even then it's a tough comparison. Miles had an SEC schedule when the SEC was the toughest conference, and LSU often had the toughest schedules. Fight with Saban and Urban every year.
Not to take anything away from Kelly; he's a future HOFer. But the ND schedule was not as difficult as the LSU schedules.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 4:12 pm to turnpiketiger
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*worth noting that Les had 12 years with LSU’s resources and BK had 12 years with NDs resources*
quote:well if you want to bring up asterisks ... dont forget the Schedule ND plays vs SEC schools. AND themedia Darling ND is for AAs and Heismans.
12 double digit win seasons
Only 2 seasons below .500
3 undefeated regular seasons
.729 winning % in 20 seasons
30th in wins all time
12 all Americans, 1 Heisman winner
Just saying.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 4:18 pm to turnpiketiger
quote:haha what a dork....
2015 is the highest example of this. You’re 7-0 with a Heisman candidate. You lose at Bama by a two TDs after a competitive first half. Then the entire season is lost. You go out and lose to inferior programs Arkansas and Ole Miss. not only losing to them. You get dominated by them.
All you had to do was continue to pad Fournette’s stats. Get him the Heisman and all is forgiven. But no you failed at that too.
Then let’s go back to 2014. You get embarrassed in tiger stadium by Dak and Miss State. Get absolutely smoked by Auburn. Then get some momentum. You beat #3 ole Miss then have the Bama game in the bag only to get an absurd penalty in the red zone and settle for a fg then blow the game in OT.
frick all you people defending Les Miles. He’s a joke. He never deserved the job. He’s suing LSU when all he had to do was win literally one more game. Have some self accountability Les. Don’t blame it on someone else when it was clearly on you.
You’re not now and never were a HOF coach. You burned this bridge. There might have been a day where you were welcome back to be honored but not now. GFY
you not Les, its crazy he is still in your head.
Posted on 6/27/24 at 10:22 am to OzChuffnugg
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I don't get why the Les Miles haters LOVE BK. Why does BK get such a pass on his flaws when Miles get roasted for similar. Is it because we won the West and beat Bama in year one?
BK has 7 seasons in which his team either went undefeated or had only 1 loss.
Les had 1 season where his team had only 1 loss. He always had 2 or more losses every season excluding 2011.
This isn’t even a comparison. Les is a joke who should’ve been fired and replaced with Saban when Saban left the dolphins.
Posted on 6/27/24 at 4:58 pm to turnpiketiger
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BK has 7 seasons in which his team either went undefeated or had only 1 loss
Yet a lot of ND fans feel the same way about BK as you with Miles. ND and BK had a nice reputation of getting to the big games and really playing well. Right? So winning a lot of games but never the big one is okay for BK but Miles it was dumb luck? And Miles did win big ones. Miles' biggest knock will always be 1/9/12. BK also has a horrible natty performance on his record amongst other big game blowouts. He already has multiple big game blow outs in two years at LSU. Once again, not saying BK is a bad coach and Miles is better. But a lot in this thread throw Miles in the dirt and put BK on a pedestal. Why is BK on a pedestal? Again...that makes no sense!
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This isn’t even a comparison. Les is a joke who should’ve been fired and replaced with Saban when Saban left the dolphins
Wait...what? This is next level delusion.
Posted on 6/28/24 at 3:01 pm to OzChuffnugg
Let’s also discuss the 2014 Wisconsin game. One of countless games Les should have lost but found a way to win.
They are losing 24-7 with 12 mins remaining in the 3rd Qtr to come back for the win 28-24
Wins a win I get that. But dude really? Your incompetence and stubbornness allowed them to fall behind 24-7. Assuming the defense would play a perfect second half which they did. Also counting on fluke turnovers by the opponent or fluke special teams plays. This fricking guy was unbelievable.
That was only a sign of what was coming in 2014
HOF is laughable!
They are losing 24-7 with 12 mins remaining in the 3rd Qtr to come back for the win 28-24
Wins a win I get that. But dude really? Your incompetence and stubbornness allowed them to fall behind 24-7. Assuming the defense would play a perfect second half which they did. Also counting on fluke turnovers by the opponent or fluke special teams plays. This fricking guy was unbelievable.
That was only a sign of what was coming in 2014
HOF is laughable!
This post was edited on 6/28/24 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 6/28/24 at 6:08 pm to turnpiketiger
Yup! A comeback win is a win! And you are bringing up a time period where I was over Miles too. But in his almost decade absence I have come around to appreciate his overall piece of work.
But your whole post still missed my point. I don’t understand why Miles is looked at so negatively and BK is seen as so great especially in the eyes of Miles’ haters. Let’s flip your point around and talk about BK. After giving up 600 yards of Ole Miss offense and 40 points, Brain Thomas scores with 8:30 left in regulation for LSU to go 49-40. Two possession!! Some how some way we lose that game 55-49 and give up 700 yards of offense. You want to crucify Miles for a comeback win against Wisconsin but are okay with BK giving up a two possession lead, 55 points, and 700 yards of offense against a rival. Make that make sense?!? Imagine if Miles would’ve lost a game like this past Ole Miss game?!? Y’all haters would’ve been so triggered! Once again why is Miles thrown in the dirt but BK put on a pedestal?!?
But your whole post still missed my point. I don’t understand why Miles is looked at so negatively and BK is seen as so great especially in the eyes of Miles’ haters. Let’s flip your point around and talk about BK. After giving up 600 yards of Ole Miss offense and 40 points, Brain Thomas scores with 8:30 left in regulation for LSU to go 49-40. Two possession!! Some how some way we lose that game 55-49 and give up 700 yards of offense. You want to crucify Miles for a comeback win against Wisconsin but are okay with BK giving up a two possession lead, 55 points, and 700 yards of offense against a rival. Make that make sense?!? Imagine if Miles would’ve lost a game like this past Ole Miss game?!? Y’all haters would’ve been so triggered! Once again why is Miles thrown in the dirt but BK put on a pedestal?!?
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