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dukke v
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re: Brennan vs Johnson
All these threads about the QB are stupid…. Who cares who starts as long as the team wins…… last years stats mean nothing.


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Purple Tiger King
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re: Brennan vs Johnson
Myles is easy to defend against because he constitutes no threat to run the ball. Hence, the defenses can just totally disregard Myles as a runner and focus only on the other options.

Max, on the other hand, is not only a constant threat to run, which is a threat that must be accounted for at all times, but he is also far better relative to Myles at escaping the rush for positive yards and first downs. Not to mention that he is also far better than Brennan in short yardage third and fourth down situations. In other words, Max can beat opposing teams with both his arm and his legs. Myles, only with his arm

As Max is far harder for defenses to defend against. Which will make RPOs, zone option plays, option plays, play action passes, and straight running plays all work far better relative to Myles, because Max always has to be accounted for. In other words, just having Max in the game, as opposed to Myles, makes the overall offense far better.

Now if Jake Peetz's offense is going to be only one dimensional, i.e,, downfield passing, then let's go with Myles.

However, I'm one of those that tends to believe that Jake Peetz is more creative than that.


Purple Tiger King
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re: Brennan vs Johnson
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Myles struggled at times on 3rd down and goal-line because our offensive line played God awful in both the MSU and Mizzou games.


Which is why Max is far better than Myles. As Max can over come a weak offensive line, and as we all saw, Myles can't.

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As the season went on they got better which makes Max look better.


No, Max's mobility made the offensive line look better. As Max is a constant threat to run and in which must always be accounted for. While Myles constitutes virtually no threat to run.

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Myles had to pull something out of his arse too many times because opposing linebackers basically had free blitzes on him.


In other words, Myles's lack of mobility not only hinders him, but it also hinders LSU's offense at the same time.

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This is a team sport and Myles was not the problem that game.


He was, not only could he not convert a third down to extend drives, but when he had a first down and goal to goal on the one yard line with the game on the line, he also couldn't score. So, in other words, LSU lost the game because the ineffective less than mobile QB, Myles Brennan was in the game and he simply couldn't get the job done.

You can blame it on the offensive line all you want. Nonetheless, if Max Johnson had been in the game, LSU would have inevitably scored on first down


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atltiger6487
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re: Brennan vs Johnson
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it is much less pressure when you have completed your undergrad degree, and are not interested in completing whatever post-grad classes you may take. since your only goal is to remain eligible.
most players major in sports management.

It would take a lot of effort to NOT remain eligible with those types of classes.


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LSUStar
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re: Brennan vs Johnson
You make a valid point, but I am not convinced that such an assessment is that simple or accurate. Looking forward (maybe) to the season if it happens.


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Bayou_Tiger_225
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re: Brennan vs Johnson
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Max, on the other hand, is not only a constant threat to run, which is a threat that must be accounted for at all times
Can we quit acting like Max Johnson is some dual threat QB? He runs a 4.8. That's probably average at best for SEC QB's this year.
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MacReady25
Member since Oct 2018
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re: Brennan vs Johnson
Fair enough, but let’s add in the running contribution from those games to the TD’s and Yards for comparison.
Myles – 4 TD’s; 428 Yards
Max – 5 TD’s; 480 Yards
Max improves quite a bit when adding in the rushing stats for comparison.


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Purple Tiger King
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re: Brennan vs Johnson
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Can we quit acting like Max Johnson is some dual threat QB? He runs a 4.8. That's probably average at best for SEC QB's this year.


Sorry bud, but you don't have a clue. Max ran in the 4.6's when he was a junior in high school. On YouTube there used to be a video that showed Max's 247 certificate that showed all of his numbers and that said he was like in the 95 percentile of all other recruits.

I also heard that when Max returned to LSU for summer workouts from home time, that he was the fastest he ever been and that his arm was now stronger than both Myles and Nussmeier, but I heard that from someone that claims to be an insider, but honestly, I don't know how credible he is. So I'm taking it with a grain of salt until I can see it with my own eyes.


Madking
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re: Brennan vs Johnson
Lmao I like Max but 95% of the things you say about him in all your posts are insanely incorrect. He didn’t run 4.6 in JH, (4.84 as a HS Sr.), and he doesn’t now. He moves around pretty well but in now way is he a duel threat QB. Saying that he opens up so many more running options when he averaged 2 carries more per game than Brennan is also a false narrative. Maybe Johnson has improved enough to start over Brennan but he didn’t outplay him last year and if Brennan improved at all he’ll start because he makes defenses defend the entire field, Johnson doesnt.
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Purple Tiger King
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re: Brennan vs Johnson
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Lmao I like Max but 95% of the things you say about him in all your posts are insanely incorrect. He didn’t run 4.6 in JH, (4.84 as a HS Sr.)


You don't have a freaking clue, moron. Like I said there is a video somewhere on YouTube that shows a 247 Sports certificate that exposes all of Max's numbers and I can promise you he didn't run anywhere as slow as you stupidly claim. Moreover, you dumb mental midget, it wasn't from when he was a senior, it was from when he was a junior. If anyone is insane, go look in a freaking mirror you dumb moron.

Moreover, Max does the things Jake Peetz wants to do with the offense far better than Myles Brennan. Which is why Max has separated himself from Myles Brennan.

As Peetz's offense just runs far better with Max at the helm, relative to when Myles is at the helm because Max also processes information faster relative to Myles. Furthermore, the run game works better, the zone reads work better, the quarterback sneaks work better, the screens work better, the RPO game works better, the play action passes work better, the passing game works better and everything works better. Why, because Max can hurt teams not only with his arm, but also with his legs.

Not to mention that unlike Myles, Max is very capable of escaping the pass rush and the blitzes for positive yards and for first downs.

Where Myles, on the other hand, either gets sacked or has to throw the ball away. Which is also why Myles can't convert third downs even if his life depended on it. As on third down situations, teams bring in their third down rush package and Myles end up throwing the ball away or getting sacked. Meanwhile, when Myles is forced out of the pocket, he also rarely completes a pass.

Moreover, you dumb low-information Myles Brennan homer, passing is only one aspect of what a QB does. The full package is far more important relative to passing.

Meanwhile, Max is the better passer of the two of them because of his legs he gets less pressure and at the same time, is far better at escaping the pass rush to not only complete a pass but to also run for positive yards and first downs. I mean it's a lot easier to complete passes when defenders are forced to leave their coverage because they think Max is going to run.

In other words, you dumb mental midget, Max Johnson's toolbox is astronomically far better relative to Myles Brennan's tool box.

Now do yourself a favor, you dumb mental midget, go bore someone else to death with your immense stupidity. I've had more than my fill of it.


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subotic
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re: Brennan vs Johnson
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Meanwhile, Max is the better passer


Hot take. This is your reasoning?


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I mean it's a lot easier to complete passes when defenders are forced to leave their coverage because they think Max is going to run.


Gotta say, I don't know how you think Max's running ability makes him a better passer. It may help keep a defense honest, but that isn't the same thing.


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fightingtigerfan7
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re: Brennan vs Johnson
I love both of these guys as QBs but we need to start Myles. Hes been in the program longer and hasn't given us a reason not to trust him. He had some good games in 2020 prior to the injury. But, if he struggles against decent competition then Max will get his starting job. We are pretty deep at the QB position, especially with Walker coming in and Nuss on the bench waiting for his turn. If Max wants this to be his team hes gonna need to show he can play at an elite level consistently.


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Madking
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re: Brennan vs Johnson
You’re delusional purple pirate king. Everything you say comes from pure imagination and unrelenting bias. You can’t back a single thing you say up with facts and now you’re even claiming that a certain player runs Peetz’s offense better than another even though you’ve never seen the offense at LSU or either player run it, even claiming you know which has separated from the other. This is nothing but made up nonsense which seems to be your schtick. You telling others they “have no clue” and calling them morons only proves there’s no reason irony can’t be funny.
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msptigers
Member since Jun 2021
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re: Brennan vs Johnson
Johnson played well against two garbage defenses...almost as bad as ours...so you gotta those performances with a grain of salt. However, he's way more athletic and seems to have an inate feel to the game. Brennan did nothing to lose to the job last year and should start. I'd like it if they went with a package for Johnson like with Perrilloux in 2007....just let him throw the ball, smdh Miles.


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Bayou_Tiger_225
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re: Brennan vs Johnson
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purple pirate king
He is Ree. He insults posters the same way and half his post are copy and paste of Coach O propaganda pieces.

Quickly becoming one of the biggest clowns on this board.


Madking
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re: Brennan vs Johnson
You’re right he uses the exact same insults word for word to everyone. They’re not even short phrases they’re sentences he just copies. And I agree he’s a clown. His posts are all hyperbolic and childish, making stuff up that’s easily debunked. It’s so over the top just glancing at his post you can see it isn’t right. And he can’t discuss anything just lashes out like a frustrated dullard.
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Bayou_Tiger_225
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re: Brennan vs Johnson
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Sorry bud, but you don't have a clue. Max ran in the 4.6's when he was a junior in high school.
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Per Shea Dixon of 247Sports, "Johnson also has nice athleticism. In February 2018, he posted verified times of a 4.84 40-yard dash, a 4.57 shuttle and a 33.3-inch vertical jump."
B/R

Looks like you're the one with no clue. Sorry bud.


Madking
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re: Brennan vs Johnson
Funny I see the same time on a totally different site. But somewhere on YouTube there might be some video he’s never once produced.



LINK


RogerTheShrubber
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re: Brennan vs Johnson
Its Brennan.

Its always been Brennan. He will be game one starter, but who knows who starts most games this season...


Lord Randall Cunny
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Member since Aug 2014
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re: Brennan vs Johnson
Brennan
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29/48 for 430 yds

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9.0 yards per completion

??

Johnson
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27/51 for 435 yds

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8.5 per completion

??


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