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re: Brennan vs Johnson Part II: The Tape
Posted on 7/15/21 at 3:46 pm to GumboPot
Posted on 7/15/21 at 3:46 pm to GumboPot
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Maybe they should call it the RRPO then because run is still an option if the QB decides to pull it and a viable option because when LB see the ball pulled they have a tendency to expect pass and fall back.
That’s not the way the LSU’s or most RPO plays are designed. Again go look at the 2019 offense. Burrow was never an option when LSU ran the RPO.
They have those plays you are talking about it’s called the triple options. Auburn has been running them for years with the third option being the pass instead of the traditional pitch in the triple option.
This post was edited on 7/15/21 at 3:48 pm
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Posted on 7/15/21 at 3:47 pm to GumboPot
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because when LB see the ball pulled they have a tendency to expect pass and fall back.
If they aren’t already out of position then the QB pulled it too soon or should have handed it off if they’re still deep enough to recover in a WR
Also if the WB is reading that LB he isn’t read the edge defender, which is pretty important for a Read Option.
This post was edited on 7/15/21 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 7/15/21 at 4:04 pm to atltiger6487
quote:But doesn't that point to Brennan?quote:
So, why are you NOT naming Brennan the starter already?
because coaches are under extreme pressure to win, and they'll start the guy who gives the team the best chance of winning NOW.
Coaches don't make these decisions based on who might transfer or saving a year of eligibility to be used 4 years from now.
Play to win NOW. The rest will sort itself out.
I mean, we're not talking about Georgia, where you have experienced Jake Fromm vs talented Justin Fields.
We're talking experienced + talented Myles Brennan, vs Max Johnson. Both the arm talent, AND the experience factor, are in Brennan's favor.
People talking about the RPO, Johnson averaged under 3 yds a run. He's not Michael Vick back there. Either guy can read the play and stick the ball into Emory or Davis-Price's stomach.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 4:21 pm to Scoob
No matter who you think played better in 2020, that is flawed data anyways. In my opinion, the TEAM was better in the final two games. If you just look at turnovers and big plays, there was much more to like from the defense in the Florida and Ole Miss game. That being said, Max was able to make big plays in big moments. To play devils advocate in defense for Myles, ensminger’s play calling was not the greatest in the closing time of the MO game. Sure, Myles made some decisions in both the State and Vandy games that we didn’t like, but he rectified those decisions in the MO game. I mean we were throwing seam routes to Tory Carter for crying out loud. Both QB’s have weaknesses, it really comes down to who fits better in Peetz’s scheme. I, like anyone else on this board, wishes and hopes Peetz’s scheme matches up with Brady’s. If that is the case Brennan SHOULD be the starter. That does not mean he will. He has every thing aligned up for him, if he does not take advantage, he would have never been the guy. He can get the ball downfield quicker and deeper than Johnson. If Brennan IS the starter, Johnson or Nuss will probably transfer out. That is just how it is when you have a talented qb room. You shouldn’t let the fear of a guy transferring play a huge factor in your decision making though.
Just IMO
Just IMO
This post was edited on 7/15/21 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 7/15/21 at 6:13 pm to Talmaniandevil_2534
Johnson is NOT going anywhere!
He has 5 years of eligibility (COVID) and his brother is coming next year! He will have 4 years as the LSU starting QB with his brother. Why in the hell would he leave? Nuss ain’t going anywhere either because Johnson will probably only be here for 2 more years and then Nuss can take over. These are reasonable young men with reasonable families to advise them. They’re will be no knee jerk reactions by any of theses QBs going forward. Oh in case I didn’t make myself clear this is all because Brennan will be the starting quarterback in 2021 and nobody else is going anywhere!.
He has 5 years of eligibility (COVID) and his brother is coming next year! He will have 4 years as the LSU starting QB with his brother. Why in the hell would he leave? Nuss ain’t going anywhere either because Johnson will probably only be here for 2 more years and then Nuss can take over. These are reasonable young men with reasonable families to advise them. They’re will be no knee jerk reactions by any of theses QBs going forward. Oh in case I didn’t make myself clear this is all because Brennan will be the starting quarterback in 2021 and nobody else is going anywhere!.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 6:16 pm to MRGeaux
would prob be smart to prepare yourself for someone to leave eventually
Posted on 7/15/21 at 6:20 pm to Lester Earl
Explain to me why someone would leave with 2 years between each QB?
Posted on 7/15/21 at 6:22 pm to Talmaniandevil_2534
quote:If Johnson transfers, then you have a serious locker room issue. We're talking about a guy who enters 2021 with 5 yrs eligibility left, could sit this year and still (conceivably) turn into a 4 yr starter, something we haven't seen since Hodson.
If Brennan IS the starter, Johnson or Nuss will probably transfer out
If he sits, he would enter 2022 with both of the following: 4 yrs remaining to play, AND 2 seasons under his belt in the program, with 2 SEC starts. He's NOT going to get beat out by incoming true freshmen, he's very likely not going to face a serious challenge from Nussmeier (unless Nuss has a significantly better arm). He is set up for longterm success, which was basically locked in the moment Finley transferred. And as far as I can gather, he still becomes eligible to declare for the draft after 2022, right? 3 years out of high school?
Why in the frick do you transfer from a ranked program in that scenario? He's got the world by the balls, even if he sits this year.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 6:46 pm to MRGeaux
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Explain to me why someone would leave with 2 years between each QB?
because they want to play
and they can transfer without sitting out
and Walker Howard is coming too
Its not a bad thing. but its going to happen eventually.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 6:59 pm to Scoob
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People talking about the RPO, Johnson averaged under 3 yds a run. He's not Michael Vick back there. Either guy can read the play and stick the ball into Emory or Davis-Price's stomach.
That is true. Where his running will come into the picture is on 3rd down. Johnson is great at scanning the field and tucking if nothing is there.
I still believe brennan is going to start
Johnson isn't going to transfer.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 7:16 pm to Chalkywhite84
quote:thanks for the info. Entering the season without your #1 Left Tackle, this does become relevant. We have one returning WR of note, and even he is still a bit of a question mark, objectively speaking. You need to move the chains, and you may need someone who can buy time in the pocket. Not real sure on Brennan's ability to do that.
That is true. Where his running will come into the picture is on 3rd down. Johnson is great at scanning the field and tucking if nothing is there.
Brennan would be a god behind Alabama's line, but we don't have that.
quote:I think it will be Johnson, but have no inside info to base that on. Just reading the tea leaves... if it is Brennan, I think they'd have called it by now.
I still believe brennan is going to start
And I don't think Finley would have transferred, unless he felt he'd never pass Johnson in the coaches' eyes. If they're both backups, he has another year to catch up enough that his physical talents make the difference. Him leaving now, makes me think Johnson's time is now.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 7:57 pm to BayouCowboy
Myles is a good enough QB for LSU to beat most of its opponents rather easily.
However, against the upper echelon teams who can really get after the passer, Myles will fold like a cheap suit.
I mean, imagine had Myles started that Alabama game in 2019, as opposed to Joe Burrow. LSU would have been crushed.
However, against the upper echelon teams who can really get after the passer, Myles will fold like a cheap suit.
I mean, imagine had Myles started that Alabama game in 2019, as opposed to Joe Burrow. LSU would have been crushed.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 8:05 pm to Scoob
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Finley would have transferred, unless he felt he'd never pass Johnson in the coaches' eyes
While I think Myles is better than Max, Finley wasn't going to pass Max again without injury. He has an absolute cannon with zero refinement.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 11:38 pm to lsupride87
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The only arguments for Johnson are
1. He can run better
Which, as we saw from Joe Burrow, is a huge, HUGE deal. If Burrow had Brennan’s mobility, do we win the NC? I don’t think so. We’d have given up a lot more sacks and failed on a lot more 3rd downs. Does 3rd and 17 happen? Does “might be a heisman moment!” happen against Bama?
Are people still trying to downplay just how important QB mobility is?
Posted on 7/15/21 at 11:43 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
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In other words, despite whatever anybody presents to show that Brennan is better, I'm going to find reasons to say Johnson is better, because that's what The Rant Group Think tells me I should do.
So he’s just supposed to accept this article as the undisputed gospel truth? No more debate necessary based on a guy with an opinion and a tape?
Most of the rant’s “group think” seems to suggest that anyone who thinks Max has the edge is an idiot. Take exactly what you said and switch the names, depending on your own personal opinion on what you want your QB to be and it works both ways.
I think Max is better not because of what people post, but because I saw a more complete QB with skills more comparable to the guy that just had the best season in LSU history.
frick your “group think” logic.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 11:46 pm to Madking
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He put up better numbers against better defenses
State, Mizzou, and Vandy? Really?
Yes, Ole Miss’s D blew, but beating UF on the road is a lot more impressive than losing to State at home while throwing a pick at a critical time.
This post was edited on 7/15/21 at 11:59 pm
Posted on 7/15/21 at 11:48 pm to MRGeaux
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He has 5 years of eligibility (COVID) and his brother is coming next year!
quote:
Johnson will probably only be here for 2 more years
So which is it?
And do you mean 2 years from right now? Meaning he’ll get one year to start? Seems like a waste to me.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 11:49 pm to Talmaniandevil_2534
quote:
the TEAM was better in the final two games.
Leadership can do that.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 11:53 pm to Dstllsu
quote:See, that's my reason for suspecting Johnson has the inside track on starting.
While I think Myles is better than Max, Finley wasn't going to pass Max again without injury. He has an absolute cannon with zero refinement.
Finley might be raw as hell, but if Brennan starts this season, you get both Johnson and Finley spending another year developing. That gives Finley a chance to get closer in the mental aspects, and Johnson's never going to catch up with the arm. The longer both ride the bench, the more Finley can refine, and that makes their competition a whole lot more interesting.
If the competition is over and Johnson has won it, that's a good reason for Finley bailing out. Johnson then becomes "good enough to start", and it's over for that class.
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