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re: Brando on LSU draftees.....
Posted on 4/27/10 at 9:55 am to givemeabeer
Posted on 4/27/10 at 9:55 am to givemeabeer
Just think of the money LSU can save by firing all of our football coaches and instead have the players listen to Tim Brando and read Glenn Guilbeau's column. Those two share with Ssban all of the knowlege and coaching ability to make LSU the perennial national champion.
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Posted on 4/27/10 at 9:58 am to givemeabeer
yes, that's fair. So the question comes, if players are not being developed at lsu, then who is not developing them? was it pelini, chavis? so one year of mallory or bradley dale caused them not to develop?
woods was coached by pelini or chavis three out of four years. With that in mind, if you believe chavis isn't as good as pelini, then you have to say who developed albert haynesworth, john henderson, dan williams, leonard little, al wilson, berry, mayo, greer ect? I think chavis track record speaks for itself.
therefore, if you agree chavis know's how to develop defensive talent and pelini know's how to develop defensive talent, but woods or the lsu defensive players didn't receive any coaching to develop them, then what happened?
woods was coached by pelini or chavis three out of four years. With that in mind, if you believe chavis isn't as good as pelini, then you have to say who developed albert haynesworth, john henderson, dan williams, leonard little, al wilson, berry, mayo, greer ect? I think chavis track record speaks for itself.
therefore, if you agree chavis know's how to develop defensive talent and pelini know's how to develop defensive talent, but woods or the lsu defensive players didn't receive any coaching to develop them, then what happened?
Posted on 4/27/10 at 10:13 am to dos crystal
I'm not necessarily making the argument, but just raising the question.
Though I would argue that a year under the genius (sarcasm meter off the charts) of Malveto, who went on to a combined 1-22 record as head coach and defensive coordinator, would not be the best for development of players.
Though I would argue that a year under the genius (sarcasm meter off the charts) of Malveto, who went on to a combined 1-22 record as head coach and defensive coordinator, would not be the best for development of players.
Posted on 4/27/10 at 12:36 pm to dos crystal
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woods was coached by pelini or chavis three out of four years. With that in mind, if you believe chavis isn't as good as pelini, then you have to say who developed albert haynesworth, john henderson, dan williams, leonard little, al wilson, berry, mayo, greer ect? I think chavis track record speaks for itself.
So Chavis individually develops all the d-linemen, safetys and corners on top of being the LB coach and coordinating the defense? Wow, that must be why he can't find the time to exercise.
Its all Al Woods' fault that Les hired a sherriff's deputy to be d-line coach for multiple years.
Posted on 4/27/10 at 12:39 pm to Prominentwon
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So LaFell was developed in '09, but not in '10? He was listed as a 1st rounder after his Jr. season. They seemed to have felt he was a 1st rounder then.
LaFell's problem was the QB.
Plus one. Additionally Woods was listed as a first-rounder after his sophomore season.
Posted on 4/27/10 at 12:50 pm to Prominentwon
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So LaFell was developed in '09, but not in '10? He was listed as a 1st rounder after his Jr. season. They seemed to have felt he was a 1st rounder then.
LaFell's problem was the QB.
Plus 1. Additionally, Woods was listed as a probable first-rounder after his sophomore season.
Posted on 4/27/10 at 2:07 pm to RANDY44
maybe just maybe its alot of things that go into a player making the leap to the NFL. When it comes to talented players LSU can put them in the NFL. JR,Bowe,Claton,Buster,Dorsey,Jackson,Webster,Landry,Spears, the only one with a shot at a 10yr career is webster. and thats a small shot. to much hype not enough development in my book. not to mention at what point does LSU players not earn the reputation as being drafted to high and underperforming?
Posted on 4/27/10 at 2:40 pm to Maximus
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So Chavis individually develops all the d-linemen, safetys and corners on top of being the LB coach and coordinating the defense? Wow, that must be why he can't find the time to exercise.
Its all Al Woods' fault that Les hired a sherriff's deputy to be d-line coach for multiple years.
well, according to your statement, how come woods didn't develop under lane but jackson and dorsey did? I mean, we are talking about brando's statement as to why woods wasn't drafted highly. why were the other two?
no, i don't think chavis individually coached those guys. however, i think chavis has had input, just like he does here, as to who the position coaches he would like to run his defense are. therefore, he has a significant impact on the players and their development. it's proven over time.
Posted on 4/27/10 at 2:43 pm to hawkeye007
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JR,Bowe,Claton,Buster,Dorsey,Jackson,Webster,Landry,Spears, the only one with a shot at a 10yr career is webster. and thats a small shot. to much hype not enough development in my book.
who would you say did not develop those player?
Posted on 4/27/10 at 3:46 pm to givemeabeer
QB troubles definitely hurt Lafell, but not as much as his route running and lack of concentration did. His routes are straight sloppy. He just won' get the separation he will need in the pros if he runs his routes the same. We all know that he's not a barn burner, and he would have to be to get separation against pro DBs with his lack of precision on his routes. It's going to take time and work for him to be able to run his routes more effectively, and that's what the analysts meant when they said "unpolished".
And the drops.
And the drops.
Posted on 4/27/10 at 4:10 pm to puttytat
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"LaFell's problem was the QB."
....who BTW, hasn't developed either!!!
Lafell would have had a more productive senior year if Lee was the QB all of last season.
Posted on 4/27/10 at 4:14 pm to souldog
I will go on record and say Al Woods will get pushed around quite a bit in the NFL based on what I saw in college. Considering he received tutelage under Pelini who developed Suh at Nebraska I would say the lack of development on Woods is more on him at this point than LSU.
If Josh Downs is good enough to get playing time ahead of Woods, development is not the problem.
If Josh Downs is good enough to get playing time ahead of Woods, development is not the problem.
Posted on 4/27/10 at 6:07 pm to dos crystal
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Gosh, i would say a lot. Tyson jackson, three star out of high school to top 10 pick last year. Dorsey was a top 100 guy coming out of high school but not even close to the number 1 d tackle, he was drafted as #1 d.t., Jamarcus wasn't the #1 qb coming out of h.s. but was drafted as the #1 player over all. laron landry wasn't close to the top 10 overall player out of high school but was drafted in the top 10. Brandon l. was a three star guy who developed into a third round pick. Perry rilely three star to drafted in fourth round. chevis jackson three star to second round. that's just a few. there are more.
all this talk about development doesn't make sense to me. so a coach can develop a guy to be top draft choice like jackson or patrick peterson but can't with a woods? didn't jackson and woods receive the same coaching?
what about joe mcknight, taylor mayes, brandon spikes, Mitch Mustain, hazelton ect. were they under developed? they weren't drafted as highly or at all. they were all rated high and highly recruited coming out of high school.
if stoops is so great at development, then why is this the only year since 2003 he has multiple first round picks? did he not develop guys in 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, ect.
the draft is based on talent and it's potential. if you hit on your recruiting, you're going to do better in the draft. if you miss on some of the recruits, you wont. how would the draft had looked had ryan p. charles dees, j powe, and other highly rated h.s. players made their grades and not had character issues? The coach has a limited part in this.
As if your logical arguement will make any difference here
FWIW, I agree with you 100%.
Posted on 4/27/10 at 9:50 pm to Gus Tinsley
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LaFell's problem was the QB.
Bingo!
ill drink to that...
Posted on 4/27/10 at 11:42 pm to givemeabeer
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Just heard Tim Brando on radio say
You can stop right there... I have been listening to Brando for the past 20 years and anyone that has been listening to him for any period of time realizes that he always gives anything LSU a hard time...I used to think that it was because he hated LSU but now I believe he does it so people won't think he is a LSU homer...He very rarely has anything good to say about LSU unless it is of the obvious...
Posted on 4/27/10 at 11:46 pm to lukestar
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Brando always gives anything LSU a hard time
His daughter is a freshman at Ole Piss and rooms with a girl I went to high school with. That probably has something to do with it.
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