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Posted on 9/21/11 at 9:50 am to just me
Two things in the story jump out at me. First, Moore says that they want witnesses to testify under penalty of perjury. This tells me he wants to use the GJ as a preview of how witnesses on both sides of the case would hold up at trial. I've always believed that the outcome here would be decided not by waht did or didn't happen, but by the strength or weakness of the (especially prosecution) witnesses.
Second, Bienvenu's reference to civil proceedings says a lot about what's driving this from the standpoint of the alleged victims. Not that we didn't know that, but his direct reference to it really struck me.
Second, Bienvenu's reference to civil proceedings says a lot about what's driving this from the standpoint of the alleged victims. Not that we didn't know that, but his direct reference to it really struck me.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 9:50 am to Aletheia
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I hope Jefferson and Johns sue the hell out of Lowery, his witnesses, and EBR Police Dept.
Not sure about Johns, but Jefferson probably has a legit case against BRPD with the way they used his name to get in front of the cameras. It seems they were very happy to let it play out the way it did.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 9:50 am to Bobby Moore
quote:He was out. So were Lee and Mett.
Sad that this young man put himself in this position. Don't know if he did or din't do anything wrong. But the fact that something happened and he was arrested and put the LSU football in this embarasment in a national spotlight is not what a member of the elite football team would or should do. He was there. He didn't walk away. He chose the wrong path.
I hope this young man will come out of this a better man and learn to live life a better person.
He didn't start a fight. He didn't engage in the fight. I'm sure he would have rather walked away. However, he helped pull LSU players away from the fight.
Would you rather a leader just walk away from his teammates?
Posted on 9/21/11 at 9:52 am to Jester
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It seems they were very happy to let it play out the way it did.
complete BS fwiw
Posted on 9/21/11 at 9:54 am to Aletheia
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hope Jefferson and Johns sue the hell out of Lowery, his witnesses, and EBR Police Dept.
But if the chareges are dropped because of not enough evidence, is that enough to sue? I mean I could see if it went to trial and found innocent. Just asking.
This post was edited on 9/21/11 at 9:57 am
Posted on 9/21/11 at 9:55 am to USMCTiger03
Posted on 9/21/11 at 9:56 am to just me
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He didn't start a fight. He didn't engage in the fight. I'm sure he would have rather walked away. However, he helped pull LSU players away from the fight
I can't say whether this is accurate or not, but you seem pretty confident.
How do you have knowledge of what happened?
Posted on 9/21/11 at 9:58 am to Bobby Moore
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He was there. He didn't walk away.
Actually, he's alleging that this was exactly what he did.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 9:59 am to Tiger55
quote:There's no case against the BRPD. They have qualified immunity. They have probable cause based upon Lowery's statement.
But if the chareges are dropped becaseu of not enough evidence, is that enough to sue? I mean I could see if it went to trial and found innocent. Jsut asking.
Now Lowery and his paramour, on the other hand . . .
but you can't get blood out of a turnip.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 9:59 am to KCinDC
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I've always believed that the outcome here would be decided not by waht did or didn't happen, but by the strength or weakness of the (especially prosecution) witnesses.
There is no physical evidence so witness testimony is the only thing to base the case on.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 10:00 am to Tiger55
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But if the chareges are dropped because of not enough evidence, is that enough to sue? I mean I could see if it went to trial and found innocent. Just asking.
If I'm Jefferson I would file something against Lowery,witnesses & BRPD. They've put him thru hell and damn near ruined his name.
FWIW, can we throw Jacquez Doucet of WAFB in the mix also. His "marine kicked in the head" comment didn't help JJ at all.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 10:00 am to Tiger55
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is that enough to sue?
You have to show intent and maliciousness, which probably doesn't exist in this case.
You can't collect damages from the police for incompetence.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 10:00 am to Antonio Moss
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If these players are innocent, maybe you or one of your family members should experience what these guys have. And maybe some idiots on the internet will wish the worse upon you or your family the same as you have.
None of my family and friends act like animals or thugs...don't have to worry about that..
Posted on 9/21/11 at 10:01 am to Antonio Moss
Sad that this young man put himself in this position. Don't know if he did or din't do anything wrong. But the fact that something happened and he was arrested and put the LSU football in this embarasment in a national spotlight is not what a member of the elite football team would or should do. He was there. He didn't walk away. He chose the wrong path.
I hope this young man will come out of this a better man and learn to live life a better person.
I don't know if JJ did anything wrong nor do you,so why say that? He hasn't been a problem from the beginning of his career at LSU. One night out with the boys and it about ruined his entire life??? That's unfair!!! Wrong place, wrong time??? Haven't you ever been in the same predictament? I'm a JL fan all the way and I'm still saying this!!! I just don't understand why people keep slamming JJ!!!
I hope this young man will come out of this a better man and learn to live life a better person.
I don't know if JJ did anything wrong nor do you,so why say that? He hasn't been a problem from the beginning of his career at LSU. One night out with the boys and it about ruined his entire life??? That's unfair!!! Wrong place, wrong time??? Haven't you ever been in the same predictament? I'm a JL fan all the way and I'm still saying this!!! I just don't understand why people keep slamming JJ!!!
Posted on 9/21/11 at 10:02 am to booky
quote:Jefferson and his family don't act like animals or thugs, yet he apparently does have to worry about that.
None of my family and friends act like animals or thugs...don't have to worry about that..
Posted on 9/21/11 at 10:02 am to LadyRPTiger
quote:I agree. Why kick a guy when he's down?
I just don't understand why people keep slamming JJ!!!
Oh, wait......
Posted on 9/21/11 at 10:03 am to LadyRPTiger
AND THIS TOO!!!
FWIW, can we throw Jacquez Doucet of WAFB in the mix also. His "marine kicked in the head" comment didn't help JJ at all
FWIW, can we throw Jacquez Doucet of WAFB in the mix also. His "marine kicked in the head" comment didn't help JJ at all
Posted on 9/21/11 at 10:03 am to booky
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None of my family and friends act like animals or thugs...don't have to worry about that..
SO you've never been in a fight and neither have your family/friends...sure
Also, the whole referring to them as "animals & thugs" is extremely played out and weak.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 10:03 am to just me
The witnesses who will testify against the JJ's are extremely credible. I'm familiar with the interviews and they've convinced the DA's beyond a reasonable doubt.
Jefferson's story has changed several times, and he is very incredible. And if you believe anything Unglesby says, you should think again.
That said, the DA's don't believe 2nd degree is the way to go. There's no evidence JJ was involved in the anything other than the kicking of Lowery, who didn't have bad injuries (a microfracture to face). Hard to see "intent to inflict serious bodily injury" there.
The GJ will return simple battery. JJ will plead and get PTI, have it wiped from his record, and never play football at LSU again.
/barfight
Jefferson's story has changed several times, and he is very incredible. And if you believe anything Unglesby says, you should think again.
That said, the DA's don't believe 2nd degree is the way to go. There's no evidence JJ was involved in the anything other than the kicking of Lowery, who didn't have bad injuries (a microfracture to face). Hard to see "intent to inflict serious bodily injury" there.
The GJ will return simple battery. JJ will plead and get PTI, have it wiped from his record, and never play football at LSU again.
/barfight
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