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re: Bill Walsh on the Les Miles philosophy of football

Posted on 1/6/16 at 11:27 pm to
Posted by LSUNV
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Posted on 1/6/16 at 11:27 pm to
I can't believe there are actually 18 dumbasses down voting this. If you don't consider Arkansas as an inferior opponent then you should probably cheer at ballets
Posted by Errerrerrwere
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Posted on 1/6/16 at 11:28 pm to
I think they are down voting you bitching about the down voting.
Posted by LSUNV
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Posted on 1/6/16 at 11:33 pm to
Nah, we got some geniuses that post here
Posted by nvasil1
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Posted on 1/6/16 at 11:40 pm to
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I can't believe there are actually 18 dumbasses down voting this.

Maybe because Bill Walsh had Joe Montana playing QB. And he last coached over 20 years ago. And while he was losing at Stanford, Nebraska was still running the option over everyone's arse. And the teams playing for national championships lately still heavily rely on running the ball.
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If you don't consider Arkansas as an inferior opponent then you should probably cheer at ballets

What civil human being wouldn't cheer a ballet?
Posted by LSUNV
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Posted on 1/6/16 at 11:51 pm to
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What civil human being wouldn't cheer a ballet?


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We got some real geniuses that post here


Exhibit A

That was the entire point
This post was edited on 1/6/16 at 11:52 pm
Posted by nvasil1
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Posted on 1/6/16 at 11:56 pm to
So your point was that geniuses like the ballet? Probably true for the most part.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 1/7/16 at 1:41 am to
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FWIW....that's also the Nick Saban philosophy of football


He has always had an accurate passer and usually only starts QBs in their 3rd year at the earliest. LSU has started or has had to start a freshman or true sophomore at QB in 2008, 2009, 2014, and 2015. That's also 4 different young QBs, not a guy starting as a true freshman all year then true sophomore all year. In one of those years we had zero experienced pass catchers, another year we had no run game and the worst LSU OL this century by far, and the other 2 years we had two of the worst LSU defenses this century.

The last starting QB that Saban has had at Bama that threw for under 61% was John Parker Wilson back in 08. There has only been one backup QB that has thrown for under 62% and that was Blake Sims going 5-10 in his first year transitioning from being a running back.

They've completed at least 64.3% of their passes every year for the past 6 years. They've gone over 3000 passing 5 of the last 6 years (including the last 4 years). They've also thrown at least 20 TD passes the last 4 years (inclusing at least 30 TDs each from 2012-2014).

The main difference between LSU and Bama on offense has been the QB play. They get accurate QBs and put them in a successful system and they don't start until they are in their 3rd years. Most would consider Bama's offense boring, but it is very efficient year in year out. Plug in a QB, plug in a new 5 star RB, plug In a new dynamic #1 WR and keep consistent great OL play.
Posted by ODSanchez
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Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 1/7/16 at 1:44 am to
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I dispute that that describes LSU.


i dispute that LSU is anything but that
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 1:48 am to
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Matt Flynn and Mauk were perfect for the system. Why they aren't recruiting that type of game manager play style is beyond me.


Mauck*, and he slinged the ball. Lots of touchdowns and lots of turnovers
Posted by km
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 1/7/16 at 1:59 am to
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.it amazes me you guys post this shite as if he has never sniffed a nc game...let alone twice.


He won a NC 8 years ago but his team didn't even get off the bus 4 years ago. I hope the game hasn't passed him by. Go Tigers.
Posted by la_birdman
Northern GA via Lake Charles
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 1/7/16 at 2:01 am to
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his team didn't even get off the bus 4 years ago



While I agree with that second part.....


Miles should be given credit for getting to that game in 4 years.



Very few coaches ever get back to that game. Miles, Saban, Meyer.


That's all I can think of that have done it. Coaches that are currently coaching.





This post was edited on 1/7/16 at 2:13 am
Posted by djkevlar
Pineville, La
Member since Aug 2013
554 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 4:11 am to
You have to adapt to the team you are playing. It's not about teams being inferior. Teams are just different. We have to play to our strengths and while adjusting to attack the opposing teams weaknesses. All teams have weaknesses.
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 1/7/16 at 6:13 am to
In the Rant's never-ending quest to bash the program daily, we now are consistently losing to "inferior" opponents.

The only "inferior" opponent you can make an argument we lost to this year was Ark.

Based on this logic, Bama, who has far and away superior talent to anyone in CFB, is losing to an inferior opponent every year. Since their losses don't count, it makes the Saban worship easier.

PS - I realize Saban has "adapted" somewhat the past two seasons, as many here say. The philosophy is still pretty damn close to Miles'.
Posted by cj2002
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Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 1/7/16 at 6:24 am to
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that doesn't apply to LSU. I can't recall miles losing to inferior opponents. it's just that we lose to teams as good or better than us.


This is correct, when Miles can line up better talent then the other team, he does well.

But When the other team is equal or better,and coaching matters, not so much.

Any avg. coach can do this.

Posted by Choctaw
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Posted on 1/7/16 at 6:28 am to
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But When the other team is equal or better,and coaching matters, not so much.


He has a winning record against every team not named bama
Posted by Tigerinthehollow
Madison, MS
Member since Sep 2014
5655 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 6:30 am to
X 1,000

Lot of people just don't get how significant of an impact it would make to be able to hit that 5-10 yard pass in stride...with the athletes LSU has. Instead they have to reach behind, go to the ground, or leave their feet to make this catch....which usually blows the play up before it even has a chance. I don't even remember what game, but I remember LF making a juggling swing pass catch and turned it into a huge play....padding the qb stats after a shitty throw. I also remember him getting hurt on a similar play, in the same game dural and Diasre got hurt from bad throws.
This post was edited on 1/7/16 at 6:31 am
Posted by LSUERDOC
Member since Jul 2013
2608 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 6:43 am to
Agreed...until we start recruiting kids with high football IQ along with the athleticism to get the ball into the playmakers' hands we will continue to struggle. If we had that TT QB I believe we would be playing in Glendale this weekend.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
52139 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 6:47 am to
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Any avg. coach can do this.


Than why aren't they?

Miles is no average coach. He's an excellent coach. There is certainly a gap between Urban and Saban on the one side and Miles on the other. Besides that, there are no coaches in college who are clearly better. In any given year there are a couple of fan-darlings, but they fade over time. Sumlin was one. Jimbo is fading even now. Mullen was one. The Florida coach flirted with it this year. Kelly, who never won a championship, was one - maybe still is.
Posted by roygu
Member since Jan 2004
11718 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 6:57 am to
What about Arkansas and Ole Miss? Are we less talented?
Both could pass the ball successfully, but despite having great receivers, we could not.
Posted by Major Dutch Schaefer
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Posted on 1/7/16 at 7:02 am to
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Can't disagree. You need a pass game, the man was years ahead in his philosophy offensively
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