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re: Best Running Back LSU will face all year in your opinion?

Posted on 5/3/11 at 7:44 pm to
Posted by LSUintheNW
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Posted on 5/3/11 at 7:44 pm to
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would have benefited from a second back.


Barner going down as well as Costa didn't help either. CK didn't want to have Thomas running too much and possibly getting hurt and ruining Bennett's RS.

Posted by Tigercoop40
Northwest Arkansas
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Posted on 5/3/11 at 7:47 pm to
Haven't insulted you at all. All I said is you have slipped up or asked you to spell a kids name right that you are arguing about him. If I have in any way hurt your feelings I am oh so sorry and I won't do it again.. well maybe.

No doubt Dyer had the best team last year, that's the reason they won the NC.

I didn't watch much of the Pac-10 last year. I watched a Washington game, I think when they beat USC. I watched 2 Oregon games I think, one being the national championship, and I think the other against Oregon St. Also watched the Oregon St vs Arizona game. That's about it, might have watched parts of Stanford games. I watched USC more a few years ago when Damian Williams was on their team.

When it comes to experience and talent Auburn/Dyer was ahead. When it comes to scheme Oregon/James wins. Oregon's no huddle fast paced offense was a difference maker in the game I watched them in. It's a good scheme.

I know Malzahn's scheme well. He was my coach when he was in Springdale. It is very hard to stop if all the right pieces are there. Even with Todd at QB a few years ago he had a pretty decent offense.

Oh and don't worry I'm pretty sure you used there and their right every time you used the word.
Posted by WiscyTiger
Bear Lake, WI
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Posted on 5/3/11 at 8:03 pm to
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Trent Richardson
Posted by bisonduck
Oregon City, OR
Member since Apr 2011
13140 posts
Posted on 5/3/11 at 8:04 pm to
I am saying keep it salient to the argument. There is nothing like a grammar "deflection" to try and win your point.

Yes, James is a spread back. Was recruited by spread teams and is a perfect fit for the spread. There is no doubt that out of all the rbs listed he is the most taylored for a specific scheme.

My point though was that of the different schemes, Dyer had the least to overcome. LMJ made the scheme at Oregon. He was the reason the passing attack opened up. Dyer was a role player in the scheme that ran between the tackles after Cam, McCaleb and the passing attack stretched the field. In the NCG game he had 150 yards but none of those yards were particarly difficult yards. LMJ split the tinniest creases to get the offense going.
Posted by Tigercoop40
Northwest Arkansas
Member since Apr 2006
7591 posts
Posted on 5/3/11 at 8:24 pm to
I'm not using "grammar deflection" to try and win my point. At the end of the day I could honestly care less what you think and what your opinion is.

Okay switch the rules. Put LaMichael on Auburn and put Dyer on Oregon. Who do you think would have been more productive last year?
Posted by Duck07
Oregon Coast
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 5/3/11 at 8:30 pm to
LMJ at AU and Dyer at UO still ends up with LMJ being the better back. We tried to recruit Dyer to Eugene but he wouldn't have put up near the same results that LMJ did last year.
Posted by Tigercoop40
Northwest Arkansas
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7591 posts
Posted on 5/3/11 at 8:33 pm to
Dang where have all these Duck posters been
Posted by bisonduck
Oregon City, OR
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 5/3/11 at 8:34 pm to
The thought of LaMichael in Auburn's offense last year is absolutely frightening. Oregon isn't even Pac-10 champs with Dyer. LaMichael bailed out Oregon's line several times last year by taking creases that no other back could. I just don't see a big back doing that.
This post was edited on 5/3/11 at 8:36 pm
Posted by Jaketigger
Baton Rouge Area
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 5/3/11 at 8:35 pm to
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Knile Davis
Posted by Tigercoop40
Northwest Arkansas
Member since Apr 2006
7591 posts
Posted on 5/3/11 at 8:44 pm to
You keep talking about these creases that LaMichael made to be the difference maker in games. Heres his stats from the NC.

On the ground
LaMichael James. 13 carries for 49 yards, long of 14 yards. 0 TD's
Michael Dyer. 22 carries for 143 yards, long of 37. 0 TD's
Where the creases at?

Through the air though
LaMichael James. 4 catches for 39 yards, long of 21. 2 TD's
Michael Dyer. 0 catches for 0 yards, long of 0. 0 TD's

Out of the backfield James is one of the most explosive backs I've seen, great break away speed.
Posted by bisonduck
Oregon City, OR
Member since Apr 2011
13140 posts
Posted on 5/3/11 at 9:00 pm to
Dyer probably goes for less yards in the same scenario as LMJ in that NCG. Darron put his rbs in bad spots with his reads in that game. Granted, Auburn did a good job forcing the issue. I hope that Darron learned from the NCG game and will do better when LSU does the same.
Posted by Tigercoop40
Northwest Arkansas
Member since Apr 2006
7591 posts
Posted on 5/3/11 at 9:13 pm to
What makes you think LaMichael will have a break out game against LSU?
Posted by bisonduck
Oregon City, OR
Member since Apr 2011
13140 posts
Posted on 5/3/11 at 9:17 pm to
I have never said he would.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 5/3/11 at 9:33 pm to
Michael Ford and Spencer Ware in practice BOOOM BABY
Posted by EricB
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 5/4/11 at 10:20 am to
I believe that LMJ's lack of success versus Auburn has already been stated. Speed backs don't do much against a conference that maintains defenses in which every player is fast. LMJ could not beat Auburn to the edge, yet McCaleb burned Oregon's defense several times hitting the sidelines.

Ofcourse this won't be settled anytime soon, but do you honestly think LMJ would get drafted over Dyer, TR, Lattimore, Davis?

At 5'9, LMJ is in trouble if one of LSU's blitzes gets to him clean. Auburn defenders did a whole lot of arm tackling, which is probably easier against small, elusive backs... but when James takes a direct hit from Hatcher, Mathieu, Loston, or Baker... it can get ugly.

LMJ and Noel Devine do look like very similar backs to me, and both of them were rendered useless versus decent SEC defenses. If CK wants to get any use out of LMJ, he should take notes from SEC teams and put the dude at slot receiver and use motion (Holliday, Rainey, Demps etc)
Posted by bisonduck
Oregon City, OR
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 5/4/11 at 1:00 pm to
First of all, it's not a conference thing. Cal and ASU held Oregon to total less yards and were equally difficult to move the ball on. We scored 15 against Cal and 31 on ASU but had a fumble six and special teams score. We would move the ball up and down the field on a bunch of SEC teams.

LMJ's lack of success was a function of bad blocking up front. The oline for Oregon last year went MIA at times and wasn't just against Auburn. Auburn attacked the run more than any other time we played but paid for it by getting torched in the passing game, which almost led to their demise.

LMJ won't go before the Davis and Richardson. I never said that.

McCalebb ran for 46 yards and yes he did that on limited carries but we held Cam to 2 yards a carry and forced 3 turnovers in that game. I can live with role players getting some efficient yards. Even though he had 46 on 7 carries I wouldn't exactly call that getting torched.



Posted by TheoreticalTiger
Big 10 Football sucks!!!
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Posted on 5/4/11 at 5:31 pm to
James, TR, Davis, Dyer
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 5/4/11 at 5:35 pm to
I don't see Oregon having any more success running against LSU than they did against Auburn. It's the passing attack that will hurt LSU, most likely.
Posted by bisonduck
Oregon City, OR
Member since Apr 2011
13140 posts
Posted on 5/4/11 at 5:48 pm to
I hope not Roger. I really think you need a guy like Fairley to be that productive against our run game - also really bad turf. Fairley makes everyone around him better because the defense is keyed on him. I think LSU will do well against the run but hopefully not as well as Auburn.
Posted by Dalosaqy
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Posted on 5/4/11 at 9:43 pm to
Trent Richardson, hands down.
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