re: Bert Jones versus Jamarcus Russell

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Take a guess at which one had many, MANY more chances in a more wide open game? 

Compare their pro stats, genius.

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They were 2 of the best pure passers AT LSU 

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Also, it's harder to have a higher completion % the more times you throw the ball so that throws a wrench into your" attempts" argument.

It's easier to have a better qb rating with lower attempts.

That's why there are minimum prerequisites for attempts when ranking conf or ncaa statistical leaders.



What you should've argued was that Jones had a better td/attempt number that Jruss.
Qb rating and completion % are harder to keep up the more attempts you have.

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You can clearly see that the other people in this thread are talking about the entire career and you are trying to make it about only at LSU. 

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They were 2 of the best pure passers AT LSU

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The op said at lsu.

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Yeah, by far. Bert Jones had the same physical ability that Jamarcus had, and he obviously had a lot more self-discipline.

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For all his self discipline issues, JaMarcus went to the worst ORGANIZATION in the NFL. You have to wonder how he would have done on a team with some real direction.

Asked who was the greatest QB he ever saw, Bill Belichick indicated it may have been Bert Jones.

Yep, both were great natural talents. Both could effortlessly deliver a fast and accurate long ball. I'm sorry that this thread evolved into a character assassinationof JR.

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Asked who was the greatest QB he ever saw, Bill Belichick indicated it may have been Bert Jones.

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Never saw Jones play but based on what I saw from JR he wouldn't be on my top 10 list if I'm looking for a competitor, leader or team player to build a championship team around.

BTW my comment about JR throwing to D Bowe was not meant to be positive, it was because he fiddle F@#Ked around for the first 3 quarters with no sense of urgency that lead to all those dramatic come from behind wins and super risky throws into double and triple coverages. JR played on one of if not the most talented team in LSU history (2006) and could not score more than 3 points vs Auburn and only scored 10 against UF, a game in which he fumbled on the 2 yard line with a chance to go up 14-7 and keep momentum! JR is my second least favorite LSU QB behind only Jordan Jefferson!
But hey, he could throw the football through the up rights from the 50 yard line...ON HIS KNEES!!!! #FRICKBAMABOY

I did not mean to assassinate JR's character. I appreciate what he did for LSU. I just think that it's just an example of the timing. Football wasn't the gold rush in Jones' time that it is now. A lot of players now are motivated by the payday. It's not a knock. It just is what it is. A bigger percentage of NFL players in the Jones era were motivated by competitive passion than we see today I think. That's why I think the NFL was better back then and why I like college football more than NFL today.

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Connected with WR Dwayne Bowe

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You answered your own question

Dwayne Bowe, Joseph Addai, Skyler Green, Craig Davis, Jacob Hester, Early Doucet, Xavier Carter, Alley Broussard, Justin Vincent, Brandon Lafell

Now tell me who Bert Jones was throwing to?

This is about AT LSU........


But if you want to talk about overall???? It's Jones and it's not close at all.....

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Russell was poster boy for career off track due to agent hold out, never making up missing pro coaching, getting out of shape. 

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I find it amazing that so many Tiger fans don't even know the behind the scenes story of what went on in Russell's life that contributed to him losing his focus with the Raiders. In 2009, Jamarcus lost 2 uncles just within a matter of weeks. His uncle Ray Ray was actually the father figure in his life. It's obvious Jamarcus was effected by this in his personal life & it crossed over into his football life. Everyone handles traumatic situations differently but I don't care who are you, a personal lose such as this could bring any human down.

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JaMarcus left LSU after his junior season and signed, after a holdout that lasted until the second game of the regular season of his rookie year, a contract with the Oakland Raiders that included the biggest guarantee of payment in NFL history at that time -- $31.5 million - although Russell says later in the video: "Just because you have money doesn't mean you're not human."

On April 17, 2009, Russell's uncle, Ray Ray Russell, a notable DJ in Mobile, died of heart disease. Ray Ray had moved to Oakland with JaMarcus. Three weeks later, JaMarcus Russell's Uncle Mike died. Russell is moved to tears while talking about his personal loss.

Russell says he didn't have his mind on football when he reported to training camp for the 2009 season. Jeff Garcia, whom the Raiders brought in to back up and mentor Russell, noted the quarterback weighed 305 pounds when he reported.

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