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re: BCS isn't going anywhere ever....this is why.
Posted on 12/4/11 at 5:43 pm to zip25
Posted on 12/4/11 at 5:43 pm to zip25
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Besides, all of the complaints this year have been ridiculous. The BCS worked this year -- it clearly put the two best teams in the championship game. No one disagrees with that.
another wrong. how do you know BAMA would beat OSU? we know BAMA couldnt beat LSU at home, why couldnt OSU or Stanford get a chance?
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Posted on 12/4/11 at 5:46 pm to zip25
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Besides, all of the complaints this year have been ridiculous. The BCS worked this year -- it clearly put the two best teams in the championship game. No one disagrees with that.
That is an opinion. That's the most frustrating thing about all of this is well never know. OSU won't get a chance to prove themselves on the field. Instead, Bama gets another shot. All of these pundits are sure bama is number 2, just like they were sure that bama would defeat Lsu in the first meeting. I just want to know how many times they get to be wrong before they lose some credibility.
Posted on 12/4/11 at 5:51 pm to Behind The Ivy
Not sure there is much to explain. A playoff system would undoubtedly cost the host cities money. Once every few years, New Orleans would host a National Championship game, which would be nice.
But a playoff would require the abandonment of the traditional bowl system that has been the hallmark of college football for 75+ years. The Sugar Bowl, Rose Bowl, etc. would sadly lose pretty much all of their significance because they would simply be early round stepping stones to get to the national championship. They are no longer the final showcase for the nation's best teams.
As I stated above, have you ever seen the early rounds of the March Madness tournament? Empty seats everywhere. How many people on here would travel to Atlanta one weekend, Pasadena the next weekend, and Glendale the weekend after that?
That's what a playoff would be. Great for TV ratings, but terrible for host cities and the traditional bowls.
But a playoff would require the abandonment of the traditional bowl system that has been the hallmark of college football for 75+ years. The Sugar Bowl, Rose Bowl, etc. would sadly lose pretty much all of their significance because they would simply be early round stepping stones to get to the national championship. They are no longer the final showcase for the nation's best teams.
As I stated above, have you ever seen the early rounds of the March Madness tournament? Empty seats everywhere. How many people on here would travel to Atlanta one weekend, Pasadena the next weekend, and Glendale the weekend after that?
That's what a playoff would be. Great for TV ratings, but terrible for host cities and the traditional bowls.
Posted on 12/4/11 at 6:05 pm to zip25
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Yeah, and one of those host cities is New Orleans... that's a lot of revenue and tourism for Louisiana
Can't figure out why some LSU fans don't appreciate/understand that
They would still be a playoff host as well.
No diminished economic impact, if not receiving more from the playoff system.
Posted on 12/4/11 at 6:11 pm to tiger1014
read the whole thread (or even just the post directly above your own).
A playoff will clearly cost New Orleans (and Louisiana) money. Fans will not travel for an early round playoff game.
This is a simple concept.
A playoff will clearly cost New Orleans (and Louisiana) money. Fans will not travel for an early round playoff game.
This is a simple concept.
This post was edited on 12/4/11 at 6:12 pm
Posted on 12/4/11 at 6:20 pm to zip25
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read the whole thread (or even just the post directly above your own).
A playoff will clearly cost New Orleans (and Louisiana) money. Fans will not travel for an early round playoff game.
This is a simple concept.
They sure will travel.
And the ones that don't will travel for the final one, which would more than make up for any lost revenue from the lack of traveling to the early one.
This assumes a +1 style format.
You're going to tell me that the 1v4 or 2v3 would not bring more money to ANY of the cities (minus perhaps the Rose bowl) than what they currently have?
Think TCU or K State are really going to rack up big revenue for New Orleans in the Sugar? Michigan will, but the other teams are shite.
Posted on 12/4/11 at 6:21 pm to zip25
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Not sure there is much to explain. A playoff system would undoubtedly cost the host cities money. Once every few years, New Orleans would host a National Championship game, which would be nice.
But a playoff would require the abandonment of the traditional bowl system that has been the hallmark of college football for 75+ years. The Sugar Bowl, Rose Bowl, etc. would sadly lose pretty much all of their significance because they would simply be early round stepping stones to get to the national championship. They are no longer the final showcase for the nation's best teams.
As I stated above, have you ever seen the early rounds of the March Madness tournament? Empty seats everywhere. How many people on here would travel to Atlanta one weekend, Pasadena the next weekend, and Glendale the weekend after that?
That's what a playoff would be. Great for TV ratings, but terrible for host cities and the traditional bowls
4, 6 or 8 teams max is all that would be in a college football playoff.
Just make the BCS bowls alternating sites of the playoffs, keep the other bowls the same.
Then, just like the current system, you have a BCSNCG in one of those 4 cities
Posted on 12/4/11 at 6:22 pm to RazaBlade
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If they go to playoff system their power is diminished greatly because they no longer decide who goes and who does not. They will not give up this power unless congress intercedes, or a class action lawsuit forces their hand. Money = power, and who doesn't like power? I thought so.....
playoffs = more money
and the SEC/Big10 likely will make more than any other conference
Posted on 12/4/11 at 6:29 pm to tiger1014
4 team playoff will never satisfy the masses. The "who is #2 argument" would change to "who is #4"...this year, the talk would be about how it's an injustice that Oregon or USC or Arkansas or Boise St. could be left out)
Assuming only 4 teams, it's obvious that most fans would travel to the championship game, but less likely to travel to the "semifinals." They will save their money and time for the championship game which would be the very next week in some other city.
But I agree with you about the Sugar Bowl this year. Whenever we have to get some POS non-BCS automatic qualifier, revenue in NOLA sucks...but we still get the championship game on those years to make up for it...but that would no longer be the case if we had a playoff...New Orleans wouldn't host a playoff round AND a championship game in the same year
As long as some non-BCS school isn't playing, the Sugar Bowl draws great crowds from the visiting schools. It's the last game of the season for them, and it is usually the finale to a great season for those teams. This would no longer be the case for a rotating playoff game.
Assuming only 4 teams, it's obvious that most fans would travel to the championship game, but less likely to travel to the "semifinals." They will save their money and time for the championship game which would be the very next week in some other city.
But I agree with you about the Sugar Bowl this year. Whenever we have to get some POS non-BCS automatic qualifier, revenue in NOLA sucks...but we still get the championship game on those years to make up for it...but that would no longer be the case if we had a playoff...New Orleans wouldn't host a playoff round AND a championship game in the same year
As long as some non-BCS school isn't playing, the Sugar Bowl draws great crowds from the visiting schools. It's the last game of the season for them, and it is usually the finale to a great season for those teams. This would no longer be the case for a rotating playoff game.
This post was edited on 12/4/11 at 6:34 pm
Posted on 12/4/11 at 6:36 pm to zip25
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Assuming only 4 teams, it's obvious that most fans would travel to the championship game, but less likely to travel to the "semifinals." They will save their money and time for the championship game which would be the very next week in some other city.
You don't think that Miami wouldn't welcome a 1v4 or 2v3 instead of having to take an ACC and Big East school year after year? That stadium is embarrasingly empty in the Orange Bowl year after year. Every 4 years and the week after the Orange Bowl, it's packed though.
Fiesta would love the have a 1v4 or 2v3 instead of a Big 12 vs Mid Major like Boise/TCU.
Orange: see above
Sugar: Their matchups with Utah and Arkansas and this year KState/TCU haven't been much to write home about lately. Seems like they can get one decent traveling team most years, but they can never get two.
Rose is the only one where people go no matter what. Place is always filled.
1v4 and 2v3 is way better on most years for 3/4 BCS bowls than their current lineup. And every 4th year, you get the national championship at one of them.
The math makes sense. Why don't you see that?
Posted on 12/4/11 at 6:38 pm to Paulu
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The money flows to the top of the people robbing this country blind
GFY
Go occupy Star Bucks or play in traffic ...
BTW
I think the 4+1 is coming. Bama getting in is just going to prove that unless your in the SEC or you play their schedule you don't deserve to be in the BCSNCG.
Posted on 12/4/11 at 6:44 pm to Behind The Ivy
People who can't see how u could use a playoff with current bcs and the current bcs bowls are not thinking very creative
Posted on 12/4/11 at 6:46 pm to tiger1014
My whole point was about Louisiana benefiting from the bowl system, so Orange and Fiesta are irrelevant to me
The Sugar Bowl has suffered somewhat recently because of the SEC's recent dominance. They've been losing their premier SEC rep to the national championship game (the Araknsas team you cited), and having to accept these non-AQ schools and there lackluster fan bases tend to hurt (i.e. the Utah team you cited). But most year's some premier schools with great fan bases come to New Orleans for the final game of the season. Hell, even when Hawaii played, the Dome had 74,000+ in the seats
Look, I understand that a playoff system would be appealing to Joe Six-Pack because he could go to his local Buffalo Wild Wings and watch football games for a few weeks in a row. But economically, the bowl system treats Louisiana very well.
The Sugar Bowl has suffered somewhat recently because of the SEC's recent dominance. They've been losing their premier SEC rep to the national championship game (the Araknsas team you cited), and having to accept these non-AQ schools and there lackluster fan bases tend to hurt (i.e. the Utah team you cited). But most year's some premier schools with great fan bases come to New Orleans for the final game of the season. Hell, even when Hawaii played, the Dome had 74,000+ in the seats
Look, I understand that a playoff system would be appealing to Joe Six-Pack because he could go to his local Buffalo Wild Wings and watch football games for a few weeks in a row. But economically, the bowl system treats Louisiana very well.
This post was edited on 12/4/11 at 6:49 pm
Posted on 12/4/11 at 6:48 pm to zip25
a playoff game would be bigger than a sugar bowl
Posted on 12/4/11 at 6:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
for tv, yes.
for tourism, no.
for tourism, no.
Posted on 12/4/11 at 6:51 pm to zip25
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The Sugar Bowl has suffered somewhat recently because of the SEC's recent dominance. They've been losing their premier SEC rep to the national championship game (the Araknsas team you cited), and having to accept these non-AQ schools and there lackluster fan bases tend to hurt (i.e. the Utah team you cited). But most year's some premier schools with great fan bases come to New Orleans for the final game of the season. Hell, even when Hawaii played, the Dome had 74,000+ in the seats
Look, I understand that a playoff system would be appealing to Joe Six-Pack because he could go to his local Buffalo Wild Wings and watch football games for a few weeks in a row. But economically, the bowl system treats Louisiana very well.
The system wouldn't be drastically altered.
Think of it as cancelling the sugar bowl every other year and letting in a 1v4 or 2v3 matchup.
Bowl system stays in place. More money all around for everyone, including Louisiana and every other BCS bowl
Posted on 12/4/11 at 6:51 pm to zip25
if it was capped at 4 teams, they'd be bigger. much bigger. maybe not in year 1, but eventually it would become major
and once in 3-4 years the sugar would have the title game, which would be much bigger than the title game now
and once in 3-4 years the sugar would have the title game, which would be much bigger than the title game now
Posted on 12/4/11 at 6:57 pm to tiger1014
Yes, the names of the bowls stay the same.
But the economic effect is severely affected. I think it might be difficult for LSU fans (especially those who aren't from New Orleans) to understand because they are unfamiliar with how tourism really works. how much money these fan bases spend in Nola for the weekend. Many come in on Thursday and stay through Sunday. Many even come for the whole week. This happens EVERY YEAR, even when we don't habe the championship.
And they are spending money the whole time.
They won't do that if there is a playoff. The host cities will be splitting the same fan bases, and the fan bases will obviously save their money for the city with the championship game. Some people will still come, but not in nearly the same numbers.
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PLEASE...a championship game that is the result of a playoff would NOT be bigger than a championship that was the result of the current system. The Dome is sold out for every BCS National Championship and 95% of Sugar Bowls. Every hotel room in the city is booked. Every restaurant is packed. A playoff will obviously not be "much bigger."
You are thinking from a TV/media perspective, not an economic perspective (which is understandable if you are unfamiliar with the nature of tourism, as most in LA are).
But the economic effect is severely affected. I think it might be difficult for LSU fans (especially those who aren't from New Orleans) to understand because they are unfamiliar with how tourism really works. how much money these fan bases spend in Nola for the weekend. Many come in on Thursday and stay through Sunday. Many even come for the whole week. This happens EVERY YEAR, even when we don't habe the championship.
And they are spending money the whole time.
They won't do that if there is a playoff. The host cities will be splitting the same fan bases, and the fan bases will obviously save their money for the city with the championship game. Some people will still come, but not in nearly the same numbers.
Edit to add:
PLEASE...a championship game that is the result of a playoff would NOT be bigger than a championship that was the result of the current system. The Dome is sold out for every BCS National Championship and 95% of Sugar Bowls. Every hotel room in the city is booked. Every restaurant is packed. A playoff will obviously not be "much bigger."
You are thinking from a TV/media perspective, not an economic perspective (which is understandable if you are unfamiliar with the nature of tourism, as most in LA are).
This post was edited on 12/4/11 at 7:03 pm
Posted on 12/4/11 at 7:04 pm to zip25
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Yes, the names of the bowls stay the same.
But the economic effect is severely affected. I think it might be difficult for LSU fans (especially those who aren't from New Orleans) to understand because they are unfamiliar with how tourism really works. how much money these fan bases spend in Nola for the weekend. Many come in on Thursday and stay through Sunday. Many even come for the whole week. This happens EVERY YEAR, even when we don't habe the championship.
And they are spending money the whole time.
They won't do that if there is a playoff. The host cities will be splitting the same fan bases, and the fan bases will obviously save their money for the city with the championship game.
So you're saying that an Alabama vs Oklahoma State Sugar Bowl wouldn't bring in as much money as a Michigan vs KState/TCU Sugar bowl would?
I don't care if you're splitting fan bases. The dilution of a 1v4 and 2v3 is made up for the fact that the Sugar Bowl has had some notoriously bad matchups these past few years.
The 1v4 and 2v3 wins compared to a Sugar Bowl 7-8/10 years. The hype alone would do it. The tv cut would be higher than the Sugar.
Just as many people, if not more, would still come. there is enough money and fans to go around with these bigger programs.
Posted on 12/4/11 at 7:05 pm to CajunSoldier225
GFY get off on perverting with high school girls.
WTF are you some kid of pedofile? Penn State or Syracuse Coach? WHich one?
Something will change because the great one party system of thieves is sticking their greedy hands into the situation
WTF are you some kid of pedofile? Penn State or Syracuse Coach? WHich one?
Something will change because the great one party system of thieves is sticking their greedy hands into the situation
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