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re: BCS: discussion and breakdown - UPDATED

Posted on 11/20/11 at 1:21 pm to
Posted by lsumatt
Austin
Member since Feb 2005
12812 posts
Posted on 11/20/11 at 1:21 pm to
PJ - you do know that USC had about 5 games in doubt in the second half and 4th quarter right? Including a mediocre Stanford and UCLA. That also may have been the year that Cal had the ball 4th and goal with :30 left and dropped the pass in the endzone.
Posted by lsumatt
Austin
Member since Feb 2005
12812 posts
Posted on 11/20/11 at 1:22 pm to
quote:

What are the BCS standings IF Arky were to win Friday?


Not what you have. Probably:

1. LSU or Bama
2. Bama or LSU
3. Arky
4. OSU
5. Va Tech
This post was edited on 11/20/11 at 1:25 pm
Posted by cajunatc
Lafayette
Member since Dec 2003
2463 posts
Posted on 11/20/11 at 1:23 pm to
does a team get computer credit for beating a team with the ranking at the time or at the end of the season?

IE: I beat the number 10 team one week, i get credit for that on my stregth of schedule even if that team drops 4 straight and is unranked by the end of the year.
Posted by lsumatt
Austin
Member since Feb 2005
12812 posts
Posted on 11/20/11 at 1:24 pm to
quote:

does a team get computer credit for beating a team with the ranking at the time or at the end of the season?


All of the computers are based on final ranking. The lone exception is Billingsly which uses an average of the two
Posted by JPLSU1981
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
27035 posts
Posted on 11/20/11 at 1:24 pm to
quote:

What are the BCS standings IF Arky were to win Friday?
1. Bama
2. Arky
3. OSU
4. LSU



LSU isn't falling out of the Top3. Hell, LSU probably isn't falling out of the Top2 with a loss Friday. Nonetheless, they are definitely not falling out of the Top3.
Posted by RollTideRockStar
Member since Jan 2010
4477 posts
Posted on 11/20/11 at 1:25 pm to
quote:

lsumatt


It's not possible to lose and stay #1.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
214052 posts
Posted on 11/20/11 at 1:28 pm to
quote:

and also more dominant than the 2003 team.


Debateable. The SEC in 2003>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The SEC in 2011. FACT. Yes this LSU team is a great team. The best thing that ever happened to LSU football was when they lost to FLA in 2003. That team was DOMINANT BIG TIME after that. There was ZERO doubt they would lose again IMO. And I don't think THIS LSU team losses again.


Look at it like this. 2003 offense>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2011 Offense.

2011 D> 2003 D. IMO.
Posted by RollTideRockStar
Member since Jan 2010
4477 posts
Posted on 11/20/11 at 1:28 pm to
quote:

LSU isn't falling out of the Top3. Hell, LSU probably isn't falling out of the Top2 with a loss Friday. Nonetheless, they are definitely not falling out of the Top3.


If Arky were to beat LSU. And not fall out of the top 3.

1. Bama
2. Arky
3. LSU

Bama plays for the SECC. No games left for LSU and cannot jump Arky. LSU plays in Capital One Bowl?
Posted by SLTiger29
Galliano, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2011
734 posts
Posted on 11/20/11 at 1:30 pm to
quote:

All of the computers are based on final ranking. The lone exception is Billingsly which uses an average of the two


So, then, under that premise, AU, UF, Moo State, and probably WVU will be unranked opponents for LSU?
Posted by lsumatt
Austin
Member since Feb 2005
12812 posts
Posted on 11/20/11 at 1:31 pm to
quote:

It's not possible to lose and stay #1.


What math did you use to come to this conclusion? LSU would certainly be above both in the computers. It is possible to be #3 in the human polls and still be #1 in the BCS
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112442 posts
Posted on 11/20/11 at 1:33 pm to
quote:

It's not possible to lose and stay #1.


Computer polls may disagree with you.
Posted by Roux-Roux
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2003
1783 posts
Posted on 11/20/11 at 1:33 pm to
LSUMATT,

If we were to beat Arky & Georgia and Bama lost to Auburn.....who would we likely play in the BCS?

Oh, and lets assume OSU lost to OU
Posted by Elleshoe
Wade’s World
Member since Jun 2004
143780 posts
Posted on 11/20/11 at 1:33 pm to
quote:

RollTideRockStar


Tiger Rant is not for fans of other teams to come here and flame FWIW. You will be banned if you keep it up.
Posted by lsumatt
Austin
Member since Feb 2005
12812 posts
Posted on 11/20/11 at 1:35 pm to
quote:

So, then, under that premise, AU, UF, Moo State, and probably WVU will be unranked opponents for LSU?


Well there is nothing special (in general) about being top 25 in the computers. But no, the computers don't care that Miss State and UF were supposed to be good. WVU and AU are still ranked relatively high in the CPUs
Posted by ezraman1
Metairie, LA
Member since Jun 2004
859 posts
Posted on 11/20/11 at 1:35 pm to
All these scenarios are turning my stomach...just win out, baby and leave no doubt. I don't trust any of the BCS/B.S. info that is out there as it is all slanted to a writers agenda. What I def don't like is what ESPN-Edwards is saying about Alabama is in with win over Aub even w/o need of SEC Champ appearance? WTF? I know it is possible but should not LSU be granted the same 'pass' when they beat Arky? ridiculous...smh
Posted by RollTideRockStar
Member since Jan 2010
4477 posts
Posted on 11/20/11 at 1:36 pm to
quote:

Tiger Rant is not for fans of other teams to come here and flame FWIW. You will be banned if you keep it up


No flame.
Just a college football fan wanting to have a serious discussion.
No disrespect intended towards lsumatt or anyone.

(As for my sig and team, lost a bet, long story. ABSOLUTELY NO intent of misleading)
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 11/20/11 at 1:39 pm to
quote:


So, then, under that premise, AU, UF, Moo State, and probably WVU will be unranked opponents for LSU?


WVU will probably be ranked, but yes this is mostly correct.
Posted by lsumatt
Austin
Member since Feb 2005
12812 posts
Posted on 11/20/11 at 1:39 pm to
RollTide -

As the original post indicates, in all likelihood the human polls would be close enough to allow the computer to be the deciding factor.

As of now all signs point to Arky be a distant 3rd in the computers and this the BCS. This would send LSU to the SECCG.

I can't be 100% sure, but it looks like it for now.
Posted by jdg91878
Do overs+Opinion poll politics =MNC
Member since Oct 2010
3742 posts
Posted on 11/20/11 at 1:40 pm to
quote:

ESPN-Edwards


Has been wrong multiple times this season.
Posted by SLTiger29
Galliano, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2011
734 posts
Posted on 11/20/11 at 1:47 pm to
Yeah, I guess thats right. It boils down to who their opponents w-l (2/3) and their opponents' opponents' w-l (1/3), so a number in front of any of those teams wouldn't matter since it factors in win loss..
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