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re: Baylor played a lot of isolation ball on offense last night
Posted on 4/6/21 at 8:54 am to DallasTiger45
Posted on 4/6/21 at 8:54 am to DallasTiger45
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You don’t understand what isolation is if you think it has anything to do with assist totals
But you are making a comp between Baylor last night and LSU. As others have pointed out Baylor assisted on 60% of their made FG's. 70% vs. Houston. While they may run a lot of ball screen action it is not simply just to clear space and let the ball handler try to create his own shot.
LSU on the other hand was one the WORST teams in the country in assists per made basket ratio. Ranked 338 out of 347 teams in country to be exact.
Now, LSU was also one of the 5 most efficient offensive teams in the country. So saying their offensive approach was ineffective is just silly. But so is comparing the way Baylor approached things last night to LSU. While some aspects of the offenses are the same. Baylor clearly emphasized player and ball movement while LSU didn't.
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Posted on 4/6/21 at 8:54 am to CatfishJohn
One more important factor. Maturity. Baylor up and down staff and roster has more of it than LSU. That shows up when plays and defenses break down.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 8:54 am to GeneratedAttitude
Spot on! Baylor used it well. Many times the iso guy kept seeing the floor and often passed at the right time. Didn't see enough of that from LSU this year.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 8:57 am to ProjectP2294
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Did I hear correctly at the end of the broadcast that Mark Vital is 24 years old?
I saw that he’s listed as a guard/forward or even as a guard on ESPN. Nothing about that dude’s game says guard. He’s a good rebounder at 6-5 , though.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 9:00 am to KingofthePoint
A lot of ball movement and movement away from the ball. That team was polished, well coached, fundamental, and damn near flawless. I wonder how many people who are college basketball experts, described LSU the same way? Like the ones who seeded Baylor 1 and LSU 8.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 9:03 am to CatfishJohn
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The biggest difference between Baylor and us (besides talent) is their defense. They were unbelievably active on the defensive side last night. Hands in passing lanes, bodying up on the perimeter, closing speed on shooters, etc.
It was a BEAUTIFUL defensive performance that wore out and frustrated Gonzaga which led to open looks on the offensive side.
The crazy thing is that Gonzaga STILL shot 51% overall. But almost nothing came easy for Gonzaga and Baylor harrassed them into 14 TO's. The beautiful part for Baylor is just how much energy they played with, on both sides, from start to finish. They crushed Gonzaga on the glass. And while height, positioning, and athleticism matter, probably the biggest aspect of being a good rebounding team is sheer desire. They relentlessly attacked the glass. If you want to compare that with LSU they had only one guy (Days) play with such energy.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 9:05 am to Alt26
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The crazy thing is that Gonzaga STILL shot 51% overall. But almost nothing came easy for Gonzaga and Baylor harrassed them into 14 TO's. The beautiful part for Baylor is just how much energy they played with, on both sides, from start to finish. They crushed Gonzaga on the glass. And while height, positioning, and athleticism matter, probably the biggest aspect of being a good rebounding team is sheer desire. They relentlessly attacked the glass. If you want to compare that with LSU they had only one guy (Days) play with such energy.
Agree with all this.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 9:32 am to ELLSSUU
Yeah I wasn't clear in what I was saying.I'm not one of the ones saying that LSU's offense is and was a issue just pointing out Baylor is better at getting their teammates involved during an iso while we look to score only.
I was just pointing out that our offenses are similar the difference is Baylor is a better passing team and more active off ball team, which is why to some fans it seems that Baylor offense is different when really it's the same concept.
I was just pointing out that our offenses are similar the difference is Baylor is a better passing team and more active off ball team, which is why to some fans it seems that Baylor offense is different when really it's the same concept.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 9:36 am to CatfishJohn
That's the difference between being elite. Focusing strictly on offense, Baylor was multiple in how they could beat you on offense. They had 3 guards on the floor at all times who could each exploit their matchup to score one on one, but could also beat their guy, force help to come, and move the ball to the open shot. But it really helps when they have 4 different guards who were GREAT at relocating off the ball and all shot 40%+ from the perimeter. Then add in having Matthew Mayer as a stretch big with handles who also shot it 40%. LSU just didn't have near the shooting or the guard depth (quite frankly, no team did) to run an offense like Baylor's.
And we also didn't have a big man with any kind of rim gravity like Tchatchoua had last night on those high ball screens which also helped keep shooters open for an extra beat.
Mitchell and Butler were juniors, will probably both be first round picks, and both were great with and without the ball in their hands. Teague was a senior and will play professionally overseas next year. Vital was a senior. Mayer and Tchatchoua will also be pro prospects with another year or two of development.
And we also didn't have a big man with any kind of rim gravity like Tchatchoua had last night on those high ball screens which also helped keep shooters open for an extra beat.
Mitchell and Butler were juniors, will probably both be first round picks, and both were great with and without the ball in their hands. Teague was a senior and will play professionally overseas next year. Vital was a senior. Mayer and Tchatchoua will also be pro prospects with another year or two of development.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 9:38 am to Drayton80
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A lot of ball movement and movement away from the ball.
Neither of which specifically points to sets. You can move the ball and move without the ball without running any designed plays.
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the ones who seeded Baylor 1 and LSU 8.
LSU was an 8 seed because of their defense (including defensive rebounding), plain and simple.
This post was edited on 4/6/21 at 9:39 am
Posted on 4/6/21 at 9:53 am to KingofthePoint
they can shoot and rebound.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 9:56 am to CatfishJohn
west coast teams arent tough enough to win NC's . Gagzonga proved it again .
Posted on 4/6/21 at 10:10 am to DallasTiger45
The biggest difference between Baylor and every other team I saw in college basketball this season was
1. They are stupid athletic
2. They have a plethora of big men that are dominate in the paint & on the boards
3. The way they play defense is on another level than anyone else I've seen in many years.
4. So many guys that could stroke jump shots consistently from distance
It was really fun and enjoyable to watch how active their hands are and how every pass and shot is tightly contested. They force a ton of turnovers which turns into a lot of points in transition.
1. They are stupid athletic
2. They have a plethora of big men that are dominate in the paint & on the boards
3. The way they play defense is on another level than anyone else I've seen in many years.
4. So many guys that could stroke jump shots consistently from distance
It was really fun and enjoyable to watch how active their hands are and how every pass and shot is tightly contested. They force a ton of turnovers which turns into a lot of points in transition.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 10:11 am to geauxtigers33
He was in the 2016 recruiting class.
Unless he was held back a couple times before getting to college not sure.
Unless he was held back a couple times before getting to college not sure.
This post was edited on 4/6/21 at 10:13 am
Posted on 4/6/21 at 10:15 am to DallasTiger45
Yes they did. Their clear advantage was guard play quickness. It helped they shot the lights out but yes many were created by dribble drive and two man game.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 10:21 am to MarioBrothers
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The biggest difference between Baylor and every other team I saw in college basketball this season was
While good, this wasn't one of their best defensive teams under Drew. In fact, last year's defense was much better. Where this team shined was behind the 3 point line. They were a ridiculously good 3 point shooting team who could just barrage you from deep with enough defense to run away and hide after the 3's piled up. The offense is where this team was elite. They could explode for 7, 9, 12 points in the blink of an eye.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 11:07 am to bigcatfish
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You are really looking through purple and gold glasses if you think LSU and Baylor were similar on offense.
Bingo. They are fundamentally light years ahead of us.
They can actually rebound on the offensive glass.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 11:44 am to GeneratedAttitude
Gotcha. That likely has a lot to do with personnel. Tigers didn’t have a seasoned PG/distributer. Baylor has a few. I do understand the premise but I think there are a lot of intangible differences between Baylor and LSU. Bench, Maturity, Player Skillsets, player turnover.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 11:51 am to DallasTiger45
Baylor had two guys low all night in good position to clean up the offensive boards.
Our guys stood around the perimeter and watched Smart chuck up garbage over Michigan’s big men.
Our guys stood around the perimeter and watched Smart chuck up garbage over Michigan’s big men.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 11:52 am to thunderbird1100
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Scoreboards who attack our offense are just clueless.
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