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re: Baseball: Dartmouth 4 @ #13 LSU 5 - FINAL - TIGERS SWEEP!!!

Posted on 3/4/12 at 7:37 pm to
Posted by Broham
Member since Feb 2005
19185 posts
Posted on 3/4/12 at 7:37 pm to
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There was nothing to change. The official scorer ruled it a hit and he has final say.

They change calls all the time dumbass.
Posted by TigerCub
Team Boxtard
Member since May 2006
22778 posts
Posted on 3/4/12 at 7:55 pm to
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They change calls all the time dumbass.


Not being a dumbass. Who was going to overrule him and change it?
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
291107 posts
Posted on 3/4/12 at 7:58 pm to
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Not balls that hit in the glove.




It could still be ruled a hit if it hits his glove.



Posted by Kim Jong Ir
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2008
55387 posts
Posted on 3/4/12 at 8:00 pm to
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It could still be ruled a hit if it hits his glove.



As it was today. Thing is, this used to be the determining factor, which made no sense.
Posted by bbap
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2006
97114 posts
Posted on 3/4/12 at 8:02 pm to
I saw the play. It was an error. Nothing else needs to be said really.
Posted by ScubaTiger
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Member since Dec 2003
4851 posts
Posted on 3/4/12 at 8:03 pm to
The ball didn't hit his glove; It hit his leg. That is why it rolled so far. Macalusa used to be the scorer.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
291107 posts
Posted on 3/4/12 at 8:03 pm to
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There is no doubt however that the sun caused him to miss the ball, so I guess it should not matter whether he got a glove on it or not. This has always been a quirk in scorekeeping IMO.



I agree. It's a common misconception... I always hear people say "if it hits the glove its an error."

that simply isn't true.

most of the time it is. But it's not a written rule.


as for Lazare, he's been around the game for a long, long time and he knows his stuff.. I chuckle when people always discredit him.
Posted by Lonnie4LSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
9525 posts
Posted on 3/4/12 at 8:03 pm to
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Great week tigers!


Does that mean we can look forward to a few days without the "what's wrong with LSU baseball" threads?

Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
291107 posts
Posted on 3/4/12 at 8:04 pm to
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The ball didn't hit his glove; It hit his leg.



that is what i saw on geauxzone. But i wasn't sure.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
291107 posts
Posted on 3/4/12 at 8:06 pm to
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I saw the play. It was an error. Nothing else needs to be said really.




What would you have ruled had he just given up on the ball and it dropped on the side of him without touching it?


Because that is ruled a hit 10 out of 10 times. The fact that he stayed with it and coincidentally hit off some part of his body doesn't automatically turn it into an error.
Posted by bbap
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2006
97114 posts
Posted on 3/4/12 at 8:12 pm to
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The ball didn't hit his glove


it most certainly did.
quote:

It hit his leg.
after bouncing off his glove.
Posted by bbap
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2006
97114 posts
Posted on 3/4/12 at 8:12 pm to
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What would you have ruled had he just given up on the ball and it dropped on the side of him without touching it?


Because that is ruled a hit 10 out of 10 times.


that should be an error too but they dont ever call it that way i agree.
Posted by Kim Jong Ir
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2008
55387 posts
Posted on 3/4/12 at 8:13 pm to
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quote:
There is no doubt however that the sun caused him to miss the ball, so I guess it should not matter whether he got a glove on it or not. This has always been a quirk in scorekeeping IMO.



I agree. It's a common misconception... I always hear people say "if it hits the glove its an error."



This never made sense to me. I am glad to see that they are getting away from it.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
291107 posts
Posted on 3/4/12 at 8:23 pm to
it's still generally true, but there are exceptions.


one example is someone laying out, or even just going deep into the hole to make a play on the ball and the ball goes off there glove.

or a sharp 1 hopper to a corner infield spot that hits off the glove where you have little to no reaction time


i think today was unique because most of the time the OF will just give up on the ball if they cant see it. Well the game was on the line today, so the guy continued to attempt to track the ball, and you could tell he just never had full sight of it.
Posted by Kim Jong Ir
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2008
55387 posts
Posted on 3/4/12 at 8:33 pm to
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it's still generally true, but there are exceptions.


I think they are making exceptions more often.

On a similar note, several years ago they would not rule an error when somebody failed to catch a catchable foul fly ball unless the batter got a hit later in the at bat. Now they will immediately rule an error. Is this a change in the written rule?
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
291107 posts
Posted on 3/4/12 at 8:39 pm to
I really couldn't tell ya on that one.

I want to say that it always has been an error. But with baserunners on base, it can affect whether or not a pitcher is charged with an ER should a base hit and a score follow a misplayed foul ball..
Posted by Kim Jong Ir
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2008
55387 posts
Posted on 3/4/12 at 8:49 pm to
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I want to say that it always has been an error.


My memory is failing, but I think they used to score it an error only if the batter subsequently reached base safely. I could be wrong though Lester--just wait and see what happens to your memory when you reach my advanced age.
Posted by Elleshoe
Wade’s World
Member since Jun 2004
143780 posts
Posted on 3/4/12 at 10:11 pm to
everything is a hit at Alex Box
Posted by Lonnie4LSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
9525 posts
Posted on 3/5/12 at 12:15 am to
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most balls blatantly lost in the sun end up being ruled hits.

Not balls that hit in the glove.


He turned his head away for protection which is a pretty sure sign that he lost the ball before it hit the glove. imo

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