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re: Barrow quote about defensive issues yesterday
Posted on 9/29/13 at 8:48 am to thunderbird1100
Posted on 9/29/13 at 8:48 am to thunderbird1100
it happens way too many times, and in a game like this, there is no excuse as to why it keeps on happening.
imagine what happens when there's a HUNH attack like a&m giving this defense absolutely no time to communicate?
imagine what happens when there's a HUNH attack like a&m giving this defense absolutely no time to communicate?
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Posted on 9/29/13 at 8:49 am to c on z
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Well, that was kinda our situation in 2011, and that was where most people had optimism for this 2013 defense.
And some years, it doesn't click. It's an LSU anomally to have a thrashed defense. That's why we are shocked from this year. We'll be okay.
This post was edited on 9/29/13 at 8:50 am
Posted on 9/29/13 at 8:49 am to Prominentwon
It just proves that we need to play a lot more man coverage. It's one thing if chief doesn't think we have the type of guys who can man up on the outside, but if they aren't competent enough to know their assignments in zone then that's even worse. Plus man coverage at least gives options to send blitzes and create pressure.
This post was edited on 9/29/13 at 8:51 am
Posted on 9/29/13 at 8:53 am to The Egg
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so what can we attribute this to? youth?
We can attribute it to having shite on defense. One, maybe two, good players can't stop 11. The worst defense in LSU history is just getting started.
Posted on 9/29/13 at 8:56 am to la champ1
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And Welter is only out there because "He gets us lined up properly"
He had acedemic issues, right?
Posted on 9/29/13 at 8:57 am to The Egg
I'm looking for bright spots on this defense - I'm not trying to be overly negative - I am a bonafide Positiger.
However, Jordan Allen, Kwon Alexander and Barrow appear to be our only playmakers on defense. For all the criticism of Welter - he doesn't seem any worse than any of the other players in other position groups, other than the three I named at the top.
None of the corners look solid in coverage (certainly not against UGA) - the safety play has never really gotten above a C minus all season, and the line cannot get effective pressure OR penetration. There is no position group that is a strength on defense and there is no synergy between the line and linebacking corps OR between the corners and safeties. There is no strength upon which to rely, so we basically give up whatever the opposing offense wants to run - unless we have a significant talent advantage.
Having said that - UGA looks to be as complete and near NFL level offense as is run in college now - if I'm going to lose to a team, I prefer losing to an offense like UGA's - none of that spread crap (they did run a little tempo, but that doesn't bother me) - they line up and run off-tackle, counters, play action, draws, normal stuff out of the I, variants of the I and regular shotgun.
Our defense is not nearly as good as the past 2 years, there are few playmakers, little experience and lots of youth. There is not enough season to make this right, barring some miracle by Chavis.
However, Jordan Allen, Kwon Alexander and Barrow appear to be our only playmakers on defense. For all the criticism of Welter - he doesn't seem any worse than any of the other players in other position groups, other than the three I named at the top.
None of the corners look solid in coverage (certainly not against UGA) - the safety play has never really gotten above a C minus all season, and the line cannot get effective pressure OR penetration. There is no position group that is a strength on defense and there is no synergy between the line and linebacking corps OR between the corners and safeties. There is no strength upon which to rely, so we basically give up whatever the opposing offense wants to run - unless we have a significant talent advantage.
Having said that - UGA looks to be as complete and near NFL level offense as is run in college now - if I'm going to lose to a team, I prefer losing to an offense like UGA's - none of that spread crap (they did run a little tempo, but that doesn't bother me) - they line up and run off-tackle, counters, play action, draws, normal stuff out of the I, variants of the I and regular shotgun.
Our defense is not nearly as good as the past 2 years, there are few playmakers, little experience and lots of youth. There is not enough season to make this right, barring some miracle by Chavis.
This post was edited on 9/29/13 at 9:13 am
Posted on 9/29/13 at 8:58 am to The Egg
So we play Welter because he knows the calls, but he is useless after the ball is snapped, so we get gashed anyway.
We dont blitz because we don't trust the secondary, but they get smoked anyway because the QB has all day to pick them apart.
At this point how could trying something dfferent hurt? This coaching staff loves to keep banging their heads against a wall as if things will magically change though.
We dont blitz because we don't trust the secondary, but they get smoked anyway because the QB has all day to pick them apart.
At this point how could trying something dfferent hurt? This coaching staff loves to keep banging their heads against a wall as if things will magically change though.
This post was edited on 9/29/13 at 8:59 am
Posted on 9/29/13 at 8:58 am to Nuts4LSU
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The worst defense in LSU history is just getting started.
Easy, now - we had some horrific defenses in the 1990s - this was an excellent offense we played, and were just not up to the task.
(FWIW - I believe we win this game by 2 touchdowns in Tiger stadium, albeit 54-40
)
Posted on 9/29/13 at 9:00 am to Ace Midnight
Seems like we need the most simplified and basic defense there is. Our guys get confused and blow coverages whenever possible.
Posted on 9/29/13 at 9:02 am to jeffsdad
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Seems like we need the most simplified and basic defense there is.
No way to run that against UGA - and I think that's what burned us.
Murray has seen everything and their line is stacked. If they had any sort of defense at all, they would be a lock to win it all (and, honestly, the same would be true of us).
Posted on 9/29/13 at 9:07 am to Ace Midnight
I wanna see some Kendell Beckwith and Tashawn Bower.
Posted on 9/29/13 at 9:08 am to jamal
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I wanna see some Kendell Beckwith and Tashawn Bower.
x100000
Time to get the new blood some playing time.
Posted on 9/29/13 at 9:11 am to Prominentwon
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I know that, but no one ever blames players. There's a difference between coaching and play calling. The last few years, everyone loved Chavis (for the most part). Now, I guess this year, since the guys they have in there suck, he's a terrible coach.
I can't speak for everyone, but I want Chavis calling the plays until the final defensive stand for the go-ahead score. Last night was nearly identical to last years Clemson and Bama. I know Jalen slipped last year versus Bama, but we were still going with that bend don't break crap that is proven to break with LSU.
With that said, I don't think our D could get to Murray if they blitz so I really don't know what to call this year.
There is an upside to the game in my opinion. Even with all the blown coverages, muffed punt deep in LSU territory, inability to run the ball in the first half, couple dumb penalties deep in LSU territory and Chavis' soft coverage on the game winning drive; LSU only loss by 3 on the road against a quality opponent.
Posted on 9/29/13 at 9:14 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
Fulmer got fired at Tennessee in part because the Chief would go into prevent defense and prevent ....wins!
What The F#$@ is going on out there?
Haven't seen a defense this bad since Curley Hallman...
What The F#$@ is going on out there?
Haven't seen a defense this bad since Curley Hallman...
Posted on 9/29/13 at 9:15 am to LagdonCG
quote:you mean, since 2008
Haven't seen a defense this bad since Curley Hallman...
Posted on 9/29/13 at 9:17 am to LagdonCG
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Haven't seen a defense this bad since Curley Hallman...
2008 was pretty bad, brah - gave up 52 points to UGA in Tiger Stadium.
(Egg - Jinx)
This post was edited on 9/29/13 at 9:18 am
Posted on 9/29/13 at 9:22 am to Prominentwon
yea kwon HAS to be out there. and where was beckwith yesterday? we could have at least used him rushing off the edge on 3rd down.
Posted on 9/29/13 at 9:24 am to S
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yea kwon HAS to be out there. and where was beckwith yesterday? we could have at least used him rushing off the edge on 3rd down.
Alexander/Beckwith/Barrow
There's absolutely no reason it shouldn't be this at this point at LB
Posted on 9/29/13 at 9:25 am to thunderbird1100
oh but there's only one guy on the team that knows all of the defensive calls and is the QB of the defense.
but wait, wasn't the defense confused as frick yesterday?
but wait, wasn't the defense confused as frick yesterday?
Posted on 9/29/13 at 9:28 am to The Egg
they couldnt get the signals in because the crowd was too quiet while the home team had the ball
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