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re: Average SEC Head Coach's Buyout - $16,500,000
Posted on 2/4/19 at 10:12 am to rob62
Posted on 2/4/19 at 10:12 am to rob62
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And LSU is 9-3 vs. Auburn in the last 12 games. O is 2-0 vs. "Gus the great".
Gus has a big buyout because Auburn got stuck in the unenviable position of being leveraged last year. Gus won the SEC West, beating Alabama in the process. Had they been able to win the SECCG Auburn would have been in the playoff. In addition to having that good season, there were other power conf. jobs available...namely Arkansas. That gave Gus all the leverage. Auburn had to consider the possibility of letting a known commodity go and deal with the uncertainty of a coaching search or paying a ransom to keep Malzahn away from Arkansas. They chose to stick with Gus.
O doesn't have that kind of leverage right now. Despite coming off his best season as a HC, there are no other schools looking to steal him away from LSU for a higher price. LSU does (or at least, should) know this. Assuming he wants to be a power conf. HC, O's options are limited to two scenarios: (1) be the HC of LSU at whatever price LSU chooses to pay; or (2) Not be a power conf. HC.
Perhaps O becomes the next Dabo Swinney. At that point he will have leverage over LSU. But until then, why should LSU bid against itself?
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Posted on 2/4/19 at 10:14 am to BigSlick
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He simply presented facts.
You like facts:
63-10! That's LSU being less competitive against Alabama than we have been in twenty years. 5-3 in the SEC. That's LSU trending down in the SEC and the exact same conference record we had three years ago. 0-5. That's the LSU record against Saban at Alabama, Jimbo at Texas A&M, and Mullen at Florida. Worse than 2015. That's the LSU offensive and defensive performance since 2015.
We fired a coach to be more competitive in the west, win the west, beat Alabama and have a top SEC offense. None of those things have taken place but lets give the coach more money and a longer time here since he hasn't done any of the things we wanted him to do.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 10:48 am to Alt26
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O doesn't have that kind of leverage right now. Despite coming off his best season as a HC, there are no other schools looking to steal him away from LSU for a higher price.
No direct requests to the AD to interview O, maybe. But the agent to analyst grapevine is ALWAYS open and ALWAYS churning. And O has a very salable story - top-10 & can recruit SEC country.
The NegaTigers have been "pronouncing" that there's no interest. Pure bullshite. They don't have a clue!
Posted on 2/4/19 at 10:53 am to Buckeye Jeaux
I think Again, you don’t seem to understand what most ADs understand
O at LSU is probably the best scenario he could ever be in.
Established program he’s not having to rebuild a team that wend 8-5, 7-6 the last decade
Recruiting is amplified by selling Louisiana to louisiana kids from a Louisiana native
Historically willing to pay for coordinators.
Deep SEC pockets.
O at LSU is probably the best scenario he could ever be in.
Established program he’s not having to rebuild a team that wend 8-5, 7-6 the last decade
Recruiting is amplified by selling Louisiana to louisiana kids from a Louisiana native
Historically willing to pay for coordinators.
Deep SEC pockets.
This post was edited on 2/4/19 at 10:54 am
Posted on 2/4/19 at 11:00 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Buyouts are tied to a) contract amount & b) contract length
It’s hard to drum up an accurate average when every coach’s contract is at a different stage
It’s hard to drum up an accurate average when every coach’s contract is at a different stage
Posted on 2/4/19 at 11:00 am to Mo Jeaux
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You're expending an awful lot of energy in this thread for not caring about them.
An attorney would notice that I didn't say anything about a buyout. ETA: excepting for Muschamp's
This post was edited on 2/4/19 at 11:02 am
Posted on 2/4/19 at 11:04 am to SammyTiger
quote:I understand AD's just fine. And they know O has been a top recruiter everywhere he's been... including programs like So Cal, Miami and Syracuse. And now AD's know that he's capable of a top-10 finish wile playing out of the toughest division/conference in the NCAA.
I think Again, you don’t seem to understand what most ADs understand
Thinking O is not on many ADs short-lists is pathetically naive (and no, I don't believe you actually think that - its just another bullshite talking point)
Posted on 2/4/19 at 11:08 am to Lester Earl
quote:For sure. But it is a pretty good ballpark look at the range of SEC buyouts.
Buyouts are tied to a) contract amount & b) contract length
It’s hard to drum up an accurate average when every coach’s contract is at a different stage
Posted on 2/4/19 at 11:14 am to Buckeye Jeaux
What schools do you think O could have this level of success at?
Posted on 2/4/19 at 11:14 am to Buckeye Jeaux
quote:Those same AD's also know that Coach O brings little to the X's and O's, and that unlike LSU they don't have enough money to pay assistant coaches to cover up that major deficiency.
I understand AD's just fine. And they know O has been a top recruiter everywhere he's been... including programs like So Cal, Miami and Syracuse. And now AD's know that he's capable of a top-10 finish wile playing out of the toughest division/conference in the NCAA.
All the big buyout coaches have one big thing in common. They pretty much are in charge of one side of the ball. Jimbo offense. Saban defense. Muschamp Defense.Gus Offense. Mullen Offense. The only one who doesn't is Kirby, and he has been to the CFP twice, so I would say his is earned.
So Coach O isn't an expert on one side of the ball, and he has never won a conference or been to a championship. His greatest accomplishment is a bowl win against a non P-5 school. His greatest strength is supposed to be DL recruiting, yet he is praying to the football gods that he lands more than one prospect this recruiting class. And if he does land another, it will have more to do with Bama's lack of space than them wanting to play at LSU. It's been made very clear that Ish and Young would rather be at Bama. So why would we give him a high buyout?
This post was edited on 2/4/19 at 11:20 am
Posted on 2/4/19 at 11:15 am to p&g
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Dude do you ever get tired of this?
I just can’t imagine how bad it must suck to day in and day out cry whine and bitch about LSU’s head football coach... especially considering how things are currently going.
You could've just answered his question instead of throwing out the "miserable" card.
Come to think of it you never add any substance to any topic. You just complain about posters that do.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 11:16 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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For sure. But it is a pretty good ballpark look at the range of SEC buyouts.
O hasn't proven himself to be a proven commodity. He has gone 10-3, largely because of Dave Aranda. O's biggest accomplishment is retaining Aranda, but is that O's accomplishment or Alleva? Probably both.
Here's the real concern about O. WHEN, not IF, but WHEN Dave Aranda leaves, will Ed O be able to get another big name coach to come work for him?
If we look at the current data, he's already butted heads with one top knotch coach and now he's back to having Ensminger. I know many don't want to believe this, but what if the Ensminger hire is largely because he's one of the few offensive coordinators that respects O has a head coach and boss? When I say respect, I don't mean as in a personal way, but in a business sense.
If you look at what O is doing with Brady, that looks like the route he's going to have to take. He's not going to lure someone whos already established, because in the coaching community, many of them feel as though they out qualify O for what he's doing. Why work for him?
Posted on 2/4/19 at 11:18 am to TrevRollings29
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He's not going to lure someone whos already established, because in the coaching community, many of them feel as though they out qualify O for what he's doing.
yeah, this is just retarded.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 11:19 am to Bayou_Tiger_225
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The only one who doesn't is Kirby, and he has been to the CFP twice, so I would say his is earned.
Once but he also does Defense
Posted on 2/4/19 at 11:22 am to Mo Jeaux
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Well, unlike idiots like you, I can actually remember things. I know the OP's routine on this board, so I could infer what he was doing.
It never ceases to amaze me that people think they're so brilliant they can deduce what someone else is thinking or implying from a black-and-white list of facts. Maybe he was just putting facts out there for discussion. Ever thought of that?
Posted on 2/4/19 at 11:22 am to Bayou_Tiger_225
It’s not even about Os limitations it’s that you need the money to make up for them.
Most schools aren’t spending what we’re spending on assistants. They can’t afford to.
Most schools aren’t spending what we’re spending on assistants. They can’t afford to.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 11:22 am to SammyTiger
In the next season or two?
They're grumbling at Florida State, Miami, Southern Cal, So Carolina, Texas, half a dozen Big-10 schools, etc.
They're grumbling at Florida State, Miami, Southern Cal, So Carolina, Texas, half a dozen Big-10 schools, etc.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 11:23 am to RB10
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His intentions are clear.
Not from the OP.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 11:23 am to SammyTiger
My bad. CFP championship once. SEC Championship twice. Won one of those. Competes with Bama everytime they play. Lands better recruiting classes than Coach O. And is their main defensive coach. I miss anything else?
Posted on 2/4/19 at 11:25 am to TrevRollings29
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then why are you all so desperate to see him get a raise and an extension at the first hint of success?
I've never said anything one way or the other. Yet another example of posters trying to read minds.
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