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re: Average SEC Head Coach's Buyout - $16,500,000

Posted on 2/4/19 at 6:23 pm to
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 2/4/19 at 6:23 pm to
Wouldn’t it be nice to see what’s to come before just putting money on it?
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33897 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 6:34 pm to
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does that mean Orgeron deserves another extension next year if he wins the West?

and another extension in 2020 if he wins the conference?

and another extension in 2021 if he wins the national title?

by my math, Alabama must have extended Saban like 18 times with all the division titles, conference titles, and national titles hes been piling up.



Seems to make sense to extend a coach after they've reached a significant milestone, like a division, conference championship or a playoff appearance. Sumlin didn't satisfy any of those criteria and it turned out to be a shite deal for A&M.

Not saying they had to wait until the head coach's contract was down to one year but I don't know why they couldn't wait until this next season was completed. This is the year he's supposed to put it all together.
This post was edited on 2/4/19 at 6:37 pm
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
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Posted on 2/4/19 at 6:54 pm to
So only coaches that make the playoffs or win championships should get raises andextensions? Simple yes or no answer
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33897 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 6:57 pm to
I wouldn't offer an extension to a coach that suffered the worst defeat at home to the division winner. That's really tough to reconcile those two events when they happened in the same time period.

I'm not that rigid in thinking that only coaches that reach significant milestones should get extensions, but I think it's a good guideline. It's not necessary to absolutely stick to any guideline.
This post was edited on 2/4/19 at 7:08 pm
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78288 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 6:59 pm to
At LSU?

Yes, you should at least make the CFP or SEC Championship game to earn extensions and a raise, or I’ll admit if you look like you’re going to it.

How long should we extend coaches who don’t:

In years please
This post was edited on 2/4/19 at 6:59 pm
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 2/4/19 at 7:07 pm to
Wade will get a raise and extension without winning the SEC and finishing in the top 10
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78288 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 7:10 pm to
Get the frick out with that

Don’t even try and compare basketball and football expectations.
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33897 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 7:10 pm to
LSU basketball won 10 games 2 years ago. They have a good chance of getting to the Sweet 16 this year. That's remarkable progress.

Getting to the tournament as an at-large bid is a significant milestone, for the record.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
69574 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 7:12 pm to
4 teams make the playoff. Competing for the western div title is a must but we are also competing against the greatest dynasty in the modern era.

If we don’t win the West in 5 years I would very disappointed but I can’t say if we go 11-1 or 10-2 and miss out bc of Bama he is underperforming.

Think about A&M...do you really believe they will win the west before we do? I bet Jimbo gets an extension and raise without one in a few years
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
104484 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 7:13 pm to
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Wade will get a raise and extension without winning the SEC and finishing in the top 10

What's amazing about your silly comparison is that this actually isn't outside the realm of possibility after inheriting a complete top to bottom rebuild less than 2 years ago.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
69574 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 7:15 pm to
Maybe you are too young to remember but prior to Saban basketball expectations were much higher than football. Hell there was a stretch where I believe we had the longest streak of making the tourney
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78288 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 7:16 pm to
I mean It’s cool if you want to lower the bar, but don’t pretend like that’s not what you’re doing.

He isn’t going 10-2 every year. This isn’t some situations where we only lose to Bama.

In 2 years we’ve lost 5 other games.

And yes I am Too young to remember the 80s it was 40 30 years ago.

This post was edited on 2/4/19 at 7:21 pm
Posted by The First Cut
Member since Apr 2012
14759 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 7:23 pm to
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4 teams make the playoff. Competing for the western div title is a must but we are also competing against the greatest dynasty in the modern era.


Sammy thinks 126 teams should fire their HCs every year for not making the playoffs.
Posted by The First Cut
Member since Apr 2012
14759 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 7:24 pm to
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How long should we extend coaches who don’t: In years please


LSU should extend Orgeron for two years.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
69574 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 7:27 pm to
I haven’t lowered any bar. So you are saying if we don’t win the west in _ number of years or make the playoffs in _ number of years the coach needs to be replaced? And the same applies to the next coach?

Oh no we lost 5 games in 2 years...that is one more than is acceptable?? How about you tell me how many losses is acceptable over the first 2 years of a new coach. You act like we weren’t ranked in top 20 last year and not in top 10 this year...I hate to tell you but no coach will get fired for top 10 finishes
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
69574 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 7:32 pm to
Anyone who remembers Hallman would be happy this year
Posted by The First Cut
Member since Apr 2012
14759 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 7:36 pm to
Oh, I remember Hallman, Archer too.

10 win season, NY6 bowl victory (the Sammys of the world think the Fiesta is the same as the old Chick Fil A bowl :smh:), strong recruiting class. A contract extension only bolsters the sense of a rising program. That’s what recruits want. Not building that fire would be foolish.
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
104484 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 7:39 pm to
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Anyone who remembers Hallman would be happy this year

I'm happy, but not because of that. Just because our team is better than that disaster doesn't mean we should be happy. That's the very definition of lowering the bar. That's like being happy to get a C because you've been getting D's. We should be happy because we finish ranked number 6 with a 10 win season.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
69574 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 7:41 pm to
I agree completely. It seems everyone except the o haters are optimistic about our program right now. How dare non LSU fans be so upbeat about our program lol
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33897 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 7:46 pm to
No one hates the head coach brother. Quit using that term.
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