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re: As the season draws closer and closer, Oregon fans get crazier and crazier
Posted on 6/1/11 at 7:47 am to DucksflyinPAC
Posted on 6/1/11 at 7:47 am to DucksflyinPAC
That is the most brilliant analogy yet. But everybody knows, you don't talk about Fight Family. Ever.
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Posted on 6/1/11 at 8:05 am to DucksflyinPAC
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As the season draws closer and closer, Oregon fans get crazier and crazier
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2003 Arizona ........ vs LSU .............. L 13-59
2004 Oregon St ..... @ LSU .............. L 21-22 (ot)
2005 Arizona St .... vs LSU .............. L 31-35
2006 Arizona ......... @ LSU .............. L 03-45
2009 Washington .. vs LSU .............. L 23-31
Gee, I did not know of those games. Thanks for sharing.
True, but also true...
2003 #UR Zona 13 v. #13 LSU 59
Zona 1-7 PAC10 (2-10)
*LSU 7-1 SEC (13-1) Division Champions
2004 #UR OSU 21 @ #4 LSU 22(OT)
OSU 5-3 PAC10 (7-5)
*LSU 6-2 SEC (9-3)
2005 #15 ASU 31 v. #5 LSU 35
ASU 4-4 PAC10 (7-5)
*LSU 7-1 SEC (11-2)
2006 #UR Zona 3 @ #8 LSU 45
Zona 4-5 PAC10 (6-6)
*LSU 6-2 SEC (11-2)
2009 #UR UW 23 v. #11 LSU 31
Washington 4-5 PAC10 (5-7)
*LSU 5-3 SEC (9-4)
Thus:
Unranked Zona vs #13 LSU
Unranked OSU vs #4 LSU
#15 ASU vs #5 LSU
Unranked Zona vs # 8 LSU
Unranked Wash vs #11 LSU
Gee, congrats...
(next up #3 Oregon VS #4 LSU -your going to have to earn this puppy)
Didn't Oregon lose to Oregon St in '04 50-21 and to Arizona in '06 37-10...so LSU beat the teams that year that Oregon could not...
This post was edited on 6/1/11 at 8:08 am
Posted on 6/1/11 at 8:06 am to BoynamedLeslie
BoynamedLeslie, you are completly misunderstandin me. I never said in general the SEC is not a tough conference or has a weak Conference schedule(internally).
I watch probably more SEC football on tv then you do. I usually have 4-5 games going at a time and I record tons. I know SEC football well. I just disagree with their mindset and spin on certain things.
To answer you...
A)If you are talking LSU, this is the first time in 10 years(that I went that far to) that LSU has played more then 1 decently hard game. As far as the SEC, it is cupcakes loaded, percentage wise across the board, though in recent time they have improved their schedule by a tiny amount. The stats I pasted way earlier pan all this out.
B)Actually the PAC had the highest schedule ranking up unto the bowl games were over through out the year by Sagerin, probably because we played a very hard OC schedule last year top/bottom. Teams like Texas, Wisky, TCU, BSU, Iowa ect. Penn St. and Clemson and North Carolina do not come close. You have a good Conference, no doubt, esp the SEC west. Very hard! However, artificially ranking so many SEC teams that should not be in the rankings preseason every single year(and always get proven as much)artificially creates a artificial ranking system. That is why, if you have 6 SEC teams ranked lets say, but they each only loose to each other, it all looks good on paper and the computers love it. But such does not test its strength out of Conference. And OC your not as tough as you think you are. Basically, I would probably say the SEC is the best. However to suggest the PAC 10 is shitty is a joke. And all my posts were attacking that spin, not necessarily how good the SEC is. I was just posting SEC stats and things to prove a point. The SEC does not = the NFl. And all are not junior high level compared to the SEC, as many of your posters have believed and stated.
C)I only spoke about USC because many thought our Conference was only USC. And I was proving them wrong. Plus, no one in the country could beat USC really, except for other PAC teams, which just proves my point. The whole PAC is tougher then many in the SEC like to believe.
D)I already know about the SEC tons. I think you will find, most other college football fans all over watch your games and know of all your history and rivals much. I happen to love watching SEC football. Even more I love the whole game pageantry and passion that blows all other Conferences to dust. Sadly, many in the SEC do not know much about other Conferences and just assume things. Mostly things that are not true.
I wonder if you even read my posts or understand my logic. Why is it I have to say the same line in every single post on this website? "I believe the SEC is the best Conference and anyone who cannot see that is blind." "However, the margins are more close then many in the South like to believe."
Perhaps you should re-read my longer rant that explains all this a page back. It is more just a PAC defense then a SEC hit piece.
I watch probably more SEC football on tv then you do. I usually have 4-5 games going at a time and I record tons. I know SEC football well. I just disagree with their mindset and spin on certain things.
To answer you...
A)If you are talking LSU, this is the first time in 10 years(that I went that far to) that LSU has played more then 1 decently hard game. As far as the SEC, it is cupcakes loaded, percentage wise across the board, though in recent time they have improved their schedule by a tiny amount. The stats I pasted way earlier pan all this out.
B)Actually the PAC had the highest schedule ranking up unto the bowl games were over through out the year by Sagerin, probably because we played a very hard OC schedule last year top/bottom. Teams like Texas, Wisky, TCU, BSU, Iowa ect. Penn St. and Clemson and North Carolina do not come close. You have a good Conference, no doubt, esp the SEC west. Very hard! However, artificially ranking so many SEC teams that should not be in the rankings preseason every single year(and always get proven as much)artificially creates a artificial ranking system. That is why, if you have 6 SEC teams ranked lets say, but they each only loose to each other, it all looks good on paper and the computers love it. But such does not test its strength out of Conference. And OC your not as tough as you think you are. Basically, I would probably say the SEC is the best. However to suggest the PAC 10 is shitty is a joke. And all my posts were attacking that spin, not necessarily how good the SEC is. I was just posting SEC stats and things to prove a point. The SEC does not = the NFl. And all are not junior high level compared to the SEC, as many of your posters have believed and stated.
C)I only spoke about USC because many thought our Conference was only USC. And I was proving them wrong. Plus, no one in the country could beat USC really, except for other PAC teams, which just proves my point. The whole PAC is tougher then many in the SEC like to believe.
D)I already know about the SEC tons. I think you will find, most other college football fans all over watch your games and know of all your history and rivals much. I happen to love watching SEC football. Even more I love the whole game pageantry and passion that blows all other Conferences to dust. Sadly, many in the SEC do not know much about other Conferences and just assume things. Mostly things that are not true.
I wonder if you even read my posts or understand my logic. Why is it I have to say the same line in every single post on this website? "I believe the SEC is the best Conference and anyone who cannot see that is blind." "However, the margins are more close then many in the South like to believe."
Perhaps you should re-read my longer rant that explains all this a page back. It is more just a PAC defense then a SEC hit piece.
Posted on 6/1/11 at 8:25 am to mylsuhat
I am sorry. I made a error accidentally and unintentionally. I skipped over the 2010 LSU season. Your right. Playing UNC and W.Vir that same year was hard. And I said many times earlier that this(2011)was the only single year as far back as I checked(2002) that you had more then one decent hard game. My bad. I do not know how I missed that and easily correct myself.
So I stand corrected. This year and last year for LSU were the only TWO years LSU has played more then one solid(or hard/or decent) team.
But as one LSU poster said days ago. We have to take into consideration when the games were scheduled. Not how such and such team finishes the season. For we all know, many games are scheduled years in advance. I know we have T.A&M scheduled for years in advance. Recently, they have risen up, but in years future they may be down. And such was the case with Tenn, which was a night game THERE by the way. And New Mexico when we got that game they had been to a bowl game. And like I explained earlier in my long rant, with PSU, we only had to choose them cause at the very last min. a team from Michigan who had won their conference backed out and only PSU had the room to play us.
So do not only go back to last year, go back to 2002. You will see we played #3 Michigan when they were highly ranked.
Last year was not our model year for scheduling. It was a abnormal season for us as explained above. However This year LSU(not to sure about them boys however, lol) but Nevada? We sheduled them when they were hot. And last year they were the only team to beat BSU. And they also killed a Cal team last year who thrashed Colorado last year who is the same team that beat UGA. Last year Nevada was the real deal. They do indeed have a chance- though it is at our house- so hell no they don't- as hardly no one wins at our house.
And then the year before last. BSU. Hello, BSU had a great team that year. And well, they did beat us, so of course they were a challenge. And we played Utah. Utah was fresh off their win months ago from Bama. You do know who Bama is. And even more Utah was on a super long winning streak when we played and beat them in a close one. But why Cherry pick. Just go far back as I did, to 2002 and look at all the teams LSU had to play, then look at all the teams UO played, then get back to me who even remotely had a harder OC schedule. And notice #3 Michigan when you do that checking. Playing the #3 team in the country may be new to LSU to start the season off with, but not new to us.
Just saying...
So I stand corrected. This year and last year for LSU were the only TWO years LSU has played more then one solid(or hard/or decent) team.
But as one LSU poster said days ago. We have to take into consideration when the games were scheduled. Not how such and such team finishes the season. For we all know, many games are scheduled years in advance. I know we have T.A&M scheduled for years in advance. Recently, they have risen up, but in years future they may be down. And such was the case with Tenn, which was a night game THERE by the way. And New Mexico when we got that game they had been to a bowl game. And like I explained earlier in my long rant, with PSU, we only had to choose them cause at the very last min. a team from Michigan who had won their conference backed out and only PSU had the room to play us.
So do not only go back to last year, go back to 2002. You will see we played #3 Michigan when they were highly ranked.
Last year was not our model year for scheduling. It was a abnormal season for us as explained above. However This year LSU(not to sure about them boys however, lol) but Nevada? We sheduled them when they were hot. And last year they were the only team to beat BSU. And they also killed a Cal team last year who thrashed Colorado last year who is the same team that beat UGA. Last year Nevada was the real deal. They do indeed have a chance- though it is at our house- so hell no they don't- as hardly no one wins at our house.
And then the year before last. BSU. Hello, BSU had a great team that year. And well, they did beat us, so of course they were a challenge. And we played Utah. Utah was fresh off their win months ago from Bama. You do know who Bama is. And even more Utah was on a super long winning streak when we played and beat them in a close one. But why Cherry pick. Just go far back as I did, to 2002 and look at all the teams LSU had to play, then look at all the teams UO played, then get back to me who even remotely had a harder OC schedule. And notice #3 Michigan when you do that checking. Playing the #3 team in the country may be new to LSU to start the season off with, but not new to us.
Just saying...
Posted on 6/1/11 at 8:38 am to DucksflyinPAC
Its just your overall tone like when you said
Although its understood you fail to mention you mean out of conference games.
Yes 3 or 4 out of our schedule are typically against easy opponents but when it comes down to brass taxes 3/4ths of our schedule is incredibly difficult where as only about a 1/4th of the schedule OF Pac teams are difficult
I didnt misunderstand your post. You used conference games as evidence of PAC's SOS but left out the SEC's conference play. I was just putting my point of view down
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nd I said many times earlier that this(2011)was the only single year as far back as I checked(2002) that you had more then one decent hard game.
Although its understood you fail to mention you mean out of conference games.
Yes 3 or 4 out of our schedule are typically against easy opponents but when it comes down to brass taxes 3/4ths of our schedule is incredibly difficult where as only about a 1/4th of the schedule OF Pac teams are difficult
I didnt misunderstand your post. You used conference games as evidence of PAC's SOS but left out the SEC's conference play. I was just putting my point of view down
Posted on 6/1/11 at 9:12 am to DucksflyinPAC
quote:Surely you mean OOC.
This year and last year for LSU were the only TWO years LSU has played more then one solid(or hard/or decent) team.
The PAC has to schedule decent OOC to remain credible these days. SEC teams could schedule all OOC patsies and still have decent SOS, especially SECW these days. PAC only had 4 bowl teams.
Posted on 6/1/11 at 9:13 am to BoynamedLeslie
I think a lot of the ducks on this rant are on dope! 
Posted on 6/1/11 at 9:21 am to cajunjj
one reason we probably have a hard time believing that the PAC is as competitive as the SEC is because USC won it what? 7 years in a row? and you guys the last 2?
Much more parity in the SEC
Much more parity in the SEC
Posted on 6/1/11 at 9:34 am to BoynamedLeslie
Np. The term OC - Out of Conference. I have used the term OC at least 200 times in the last few months. I just assumed all knew what I was referring to. Maybe I should of used the proper OOC. I will use that instead.
This post was edited on 6/1/11 at 9:46 am
Posted on 6/1/11 at 11:11 am to BigEdLSU
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one reason we probably have a hard time believing that the PAC is as competitive as the SEC is because USC won it what? 7 years in a row? and you guys the last 2?
Much more parity in the SEC
The PAC isn't as competitive as the SEC. No one here should argue that. However, most of us feel that our schedule is underrated. Most of those teams LSU beat from the PAC were teams that weren't going to beat LSU to begin with. However, 3 times LSU was taken to the wire. It should at least be an indication that there aren't days off in the PAC. You better bring it each and every week. Last year the Ducks went undefeated, which 'SC did once in their 7 year run.
Posted on 6/1/11 at 11:43 am to bisonduck
Unless you are an SEC member, you do not play an SEC schedule, therefore your conference like every other one in the country is inferior to ours in football.
Enough said. 
Enough said.
Posted on 6/1/11 at 11:44 am to tigerBilltd
It's inferior in baseball also.
Posted on 6/1/11 at 1:40 pm to DucksflyinPAC
quote:Damn dude, can I come over and watch football at your house?
I watch probably more SEC football on tv then you do. I usually have 4-5 games going at a time and I record tons. I know SEC football well.
Posted on 6/1/11 at 1:51 pm to bisonduck
quote:
3 times LSU was taken to the wire.
Washington did not take us to the wire.
Posted on 6/1/11 at 1:58 pm to DucksflyinPAC
quote:
So I stand corrected. This year and last year for LSU were the only TWO years LSU has played more then one solid(or hard/or decent) team.
whats the point of scheduling hard OOC regularly if your SOS is going to be high at year end anyway?
makes no sense unless youre trying to screw yourself out of contention.
This post was edited on 6/1/11 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 6/1/11 at 2:19 pm to DucksflyinPAC
Out of conference/Schmout of conference: The only facts relevant are:
5 straight BCS national championships
4 different teams
It's the SEC and everyone else--table scraps.
I applaud Oregon for scheduling LSU, I really do. But the onus is not on the SEC to schedule tough out of conference games to bolster that schedule's strength.
Maybe if some other conference, ANY other conference, could win a couple of BCS championships in a row, then we could start talking about boosting the strength of schedule for the SEC. Oregon clearly had a shot last year, and while giving great effort, lost just like the previous 4 BCS national championship pretenders to the throne.
So go ahead and talk about out of conference scheduling until you're blue in the face. It means nothing until another conference steps up and wins one against the SEC on the big stage. Nothing at all.
5 straight BCS national championships
4 different teams
It's the SEC and everyone else--table scraps.
I applaud Oregon for scheduling LSU, I really do. But the onus is not on the SEC to schedule tough out of conference games to bolster that schedule's strength.
Maybe if some other conference, ANY other conference, could win a couple of BCS championships in a row, then we could start talking about boosting the strength of schedule for the SEC. Oregon clearly had a shot last year, and while giving great effort, lost just like the previous 4 BCS national championship pretenders to the throne.
So go ahead and talk about out of conference scheduling until you're blue in the face. It means nothing until another conference steps up and wins one against the SEC on the big stage. Nothing at all.
Posted on 6/1/11 at 2:20 pm to DucksflyinPAC
quote:The PAC-10, known to us as the Pussy Athletic Conference, has definitely changed for the better over the past few years with the emergence of Oregon, Stanford, and to a smaller extent, Washington.
I only posted the 5 losses because A)it dispels the SEC= NFL myth. B)The SEC is not as strong top to bottom as many claim (see Loosing to UCF and Pitt).
You see, for years we have been used to the moronic comments by some SEC Kool-aid drinkers such as "if Vandy were in the PAC 10 they would of went undefeated".
And other SEC logic of:
1) Pac10 team is no good
2) SEC will pound them
3) When Pac10 team wins, the SEC played very badly since the Pac10 team is no good
We continuously harp on the weakness of the PAC-10 conference and mock it because, seriously, outside of the PAC-10, everyone knew it had only one decent team: USC. Now, that team is Oregon. How many teams in the PAC-10 have a viable opportunity to put an arse whipping on them?
Case in point:
Took me a while to find this but I think it applies to the thread: Source (9 Aug 2009)
quote:Meanwhile, the SEC has continuously proved the toughness from top to bottom. I don't think Vandy could beat every team in the PAC-10 but I do think it'd beat several of your bottom dwellers. I also believe (know) that if each team from the SEC met each team from the PAC-10 that the SEC would be the winner in a VAST majority of those contests.
On a personal note – Mr. Harbach and I would like to publish an open (albeit brief) letter to Mr. Pete Carroll, and the rest of the PAC 10 brass, in an effort to stop the madness. Hey Pete, any football conference that one team can win for seven – going on eight – straight years, is not a competitive conference. Period. While we're on it, the fact you have had that advantage and only have one National Championship to show for it also speaks volumes. Alright then; let’s all move on.
It's no doubt Oregon has risen in power lately but until the conference provides more competition as a whole, it will continually be considered by outsiders as a weak conference.
You have to prove yourselves.
The SEC has.
p.s. I look forward with great anticipation to our contest in September. Hope to see you there.
Posted on 6/1/11 at 2:29 pm to LSU Tigerhead
It looks as if we (Oregon) have sold out our ticket allotment for the game
Posted on 6/1/11 at 3:08 pm to DucksflyinPAC
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And you are diffidently not descended from the alien tribe called the NFL-extension.
Conference producing most draft picks by position 1988-2009:
DB- SEC 134
DE- SEC 94
DT- SEC 72
LB- SEC 108
QB- PAC10 44
RB- SEC 96
WR- SEC 107
TE- PAC10 45
OL- BIG TEN 138
2010: SEC was 1st with 49 players drafted.(next closest was Big Ten with 34)...(PAC10 was 5th with 28)
2011: SEC was 1st with 38 players drafted.(next closest was ACC with 35)...(PAC10 3rd with 31)
Posted on 6/1/11 at 3:22 pm to bisonduck
Oregon is just not deep enough in the trenches to win this game.
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