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As simple as it gets
Posted on 7/29/10 at 6:59 am
Posted on 7/29/10 at 6:59 am
In how many games that LSU plays this year will the opposing team's overall talent level be better than ours?
I say 3 (Bama, Florida, Arky)
In how many games this year will the opposing team's coaching be better than ours?
I say 6 (UNC, Florida, Bama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Arky)
What say you?
I say 3 (Bama, Florida, Arky)
In how many games this year will the opposing team's coaching be better than ours?
I say 6 (UNC, Florida, Bama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Arky)
What say you?
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Posted on 7/29/10 at 7:04 am to mamoutiga
How does Arky get off with better talent? Better QB...that is about it.
I would put Bama and Florida talent levels equal to ours.
What has Butch Davis, Gene Chizik, Houston Nutt, and Bobby Petrino done that Miles hasn't done? Have losing records? I could be wrong but wasn't Butch Davis the only coach NOT to win a NC with Miami during their hayday?
I would put Bama and Florida talent levels equal to ours.
What has Butch Davis, Gene Chizik, Houston Nutt, and Bobby Petrino done that Miles hasn't done? Have losing records? I could be wrong but wasn't Butch Davis the only coach NOT to win a NC with Miami during their hayday?
This post was edited on 7/29/10 at 7:05 am
Posted on 7/29/10 at 7:04 am to mamoutiga
I have no idea. But for clarification, are you talking overall coaching - from head coach, through coordinators to the position coaches, conditioning coach, etc.? Are you talking everything in coaching - recruiting, off season work, conditioning, game prep, compliance, keeping up with academics, and game day coaching? Or some/one of those?
Posted on 7/29/10 at 7:07 am to mamoutiga
Bama and Florida only. And there is not that much difference in the three.
Im talkin about player talent btw.
Im talkin about player talent btw.
This post was edited on 7/29/10 at 7:09 am
Posted on 7/29/10 at 7:11 am to mamoutiga
bama and florida for both...and that's it
Posted on 7/29/10 at 7:40 am to Brageous
If you go by recruiting classes we are all dead even 
2010:
#2- Florida
#5- Alabama
#6- LSU
2009:
#1- Alabama
#2- LSU
#11- Florida
2008:
#1- Alabama
#3- Florida
#11- LSU
2007:
#1- Florida
#4- LSU
#10- Alabama
2006:
#2- Florida
#7- LSU
#11- Alabama
2010:
#2- Florida
#5- Alabama
#6- LSU
2009:
#1- Alabama
#2- LSU
#11- Florida
2008:
#1- Alabama
#3- Florida
#11- LSU
2007:
#1- Florida
#4- LSU
#10- Alabama
2006:
#2- Florida
#7- LSU
#11- Alabama
This post was edited on 7/29/10 at 7:42 am
Posted on 7/29/10 at 7:50 am to mamoutiga
quote:
In how many games that LSU plays this year will the opposing team's overall talent level be better than ours?
I say 3 (Bama, Florida, Arky)
In how many games this year will the opposing team's coaching be better than ours?
I say 6 (UNC, Florida, Bama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Arky)
What say you?
I say you're
We have the same amount of talent as UF & Bama. And for you to put Arky up there is just insane.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 7:59 am to mamoutiga
quote:
What say you?
I'm ready for the season to get here.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 8:10 am to Lacour
Talent means dick, if you can't play as a team. Bama and UF are better teams than LSU. LSU is probably a touch better than Ark. and Aub. as far as a team goes.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 8:10 am to mamoutiga
Arkansas isn't in the same league as us. We are equal to Bama, but Florida may have a bit more talent.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 8:15 am to PeaRidgeWatash
quote:
Arkansas isn't in the same league as us
They have better WRs, better QB, better receiving TE, more proven RBs, thier Oline cant be any worse than ours.
Defense is another story, but we arent head and shoulders above ARK.
Thier offense>>>>>ours. Our defense>>>>thiers.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 8:26 am to LsuTool
quote:
They have better WRs, better QB, better receiving TE, more proven RBs, thier Oline cant be any worse than ours
Our players at the offensive skill position are much more talented than Arkansas except at QB.
Overall the Arkansas Offense was better organized, prepared and the play calling was better, so overall the offense as a unit was better.
But as far as talent, LSU is head and shoulders above Arkansas.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 8:33 am to ItTakesAThief
quote:
But as far as talent, LSU is head and shoulders above Arkansas
Wrong. A poster above described it perfectly. Arkansas
Their QB is way better, Oline is better, RB's are probably equal (we recruited all of their key guys), TE is way better and their top 3-4 WR's have experience and proven results in the SEC, so that makes them better even if they won't beat ours in a relay race.
LSU Defense is better at each position, except maybe LB.
Auburn
QB is probably equal, AU Oline is better, LSU RB is probably deeper (although everyone wanted Dyer), LSU WR is better.
LSU Defense is better everywhere but LB.
So, these should and will be closely contested ballgames, especially at their stadiums.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 9:47 am to mamoutiga
This is the kind of question that is hard to reply to with a definitive answer. It's a good question, but not a cut and dried answer. So much is subjective. It's not like comparing W-L records or times in the 40. It's a barroom or tailgating kind of discussion after three, four, or thirty beers.
Better talent and better coaching manifest themselves in different ways. I believe it comes down preparation, motivation, and circumstance beyond your control. It's luck, but preparation and opportunity equals luck.
Think about it. Probably a head coach is in his mid forties at least. He has been involved in football and its concomitant strategies since about the age of ten. There probably is not much he hasn't seen. I really think that all of the coaches are about the same when it comes to x's and o's, but their personalities shine through. I think back to the Saints super bowl win. It was an insane thing to start a second half with an onsides kick, but something about Payton's personality drove that decision. The team and coaches prepared it, and it worked. Had it not worked and we lost, Payton would have been vilifed on talk radio twenty years after his death.
I think Miles is every bit as smart as the rest. I think our talent is on a par with most everyone else (slight edge to Bama and Fla). Think parity and scholarship limits. Recruiting is a guess also. Who got recruited and who actually played well. I love the recruiting rants. It's like one lie after another in many ways. It is about potential talent and kinetic realization. Right now it looks like we might as well not play for an NBA championship and just award the thing to the Miami Heat.
I really think games break down to prepartion and the ability to exploit circumstanes as your game plan erodes before your eyes. So who really outshines our present coach? Nobody in my mind, but that certainly does not mean that I think he hasn't made some poor choices. Yet, I think all coaches do that. I also believe that talent is the biggest factor. If the New York Giants played "Lowest Division Middle School," my money in on the Giants. Does caoching matter? You betcha! If I had gotten the job at LSU after Saban left, I would probably have been shot my now. Even with his recruiting classes, not everyone is going to be able to utiiize the players there and get them to their potential.
Better talent and better coaching manifest themselves in different ways. I believe it comes down preparation, motivation, and circumstance beyond your control. It's luck, but preparation and opportunity equals luck.
Think about it. Probably a head coach is in his mid forties at least. He has been involved in football and its concomitant strategies since about the age of ten. There probably is not much he hasn't seen. I really think that all of the coaches are about the same when it comes to x's and o's, but their personalities shine through. I think back to the Saints super bowl win. It was an insane thing to start a second half with an onsides kick, but something about Payton's personality drove that decision. The team and coaches prepared it, and it worked. Had it not worked and we lost, Payton would have been vilifed on talk radio twenty years after his death.
I think Miles is every bit as smart as the rest. I think our talent is on a par with most everyone else (slight edge to Bama and Fla). Think parity and scholarship limits. Recruiting is a guess also. Who got recruited and who actually played well. I love the recruiting rants. It's like one lie after another in many ways. It is about potential talent and kinetic realization. Right now it looks like we might as well not play for an NBA championship and just award the thing to the Miami Heat.
I really think games break down to prepartion and the ability to exploit circumstanes as your game plan erodes before your eyes. So who really outshines our present coach? Nobody in my mind, but that certainly does not mean that I think he hasn't made some poor choices. Yet, I think all coaches do that. I also believe that talent is the biggest factor. If the New York Giants played "Lowest Division Middle School," my money in on the Giants. Does caoching matter? You betcha! If I had gotten the job at LSU after Saban left, I would probably have been shot my now. Even with his recruiting classes, not everyone is going to be able to utiiize the players there and get them to their potential.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 9:49 am to mamoutiga
quote:
In how many games that LSU plays this year will the opposing team's overall talent level be better than ours?
Florida
Alabama
quote:
In how many games this year will the opposing team's coaching be better than ours?
UNC
Florida
Alabama
Ole Miss
Arkansas
Posted on 7/29/10 at 10:18 am to mamoutiga
quote:Agree with all you said, but you should add another category.
In how many games that LSU plays this year will the opposing team's overall talent level be better than ours?
I say 3 (Bama, Florida, Arky)
In how many games this year will the opposing team's coaching be better than ours?
I say 6 (UNC, Florida, Bama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Arky)
In how many games will the LESSER talent outplay the talent on our team?
I say 1.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 10:19 am to mamoutiga
quote:
I say 3 (Bama, Florida, Arky)
Posted on 7/29/10 at 10:37 am to ItTakesAThief
quote:
Our players at the offensive skill position are much more talented than Arkansas except at QB
No they arent. They have proven RBs, we dont.
They have arguably the best receiving TE in the SEC, we have a TE with 2 career TDs. They have proven SEC WRs in Joe Adams, Jarius Wright, Cobi Hamilton, and Greg Childs...we have a solid WR in Toliver and nothing but ??? after him. QB I wont even speak about.
We arent much better than Ark and our games over the last four years prove it ON THE FIELD. Recruiting rankings dont matter on Saturdays in the SEC. This year will be the same, it will come down to the wire.
This post was edited on 7/29/10 at 10:38 am
Posted on 7/29/10 at 10:37 am to jcb236
quote:Message board fail. Thoughts should be limimted to 2 paragraphs max. Etiquette was violated. lol
This is the kind of question that is hard to reply to with a definitive answer. It's a good question, but not a cut and dried answer. So much is subjective. It's not like comparing W-L records or times in the 40. It's a barroom or tailgating kind of discussion after three, four, or thirty beers.
Better talent and better coaching manifest themselves in different ways. I believe it comes down preparation, motivation, and circumstance beyond your control. It's luck, but preparation and opportunity equals luck.
Think about it. Probably a head coach is in his mid forties at least. He has been involved in football and its concomitant strategies since about the age of ten. There probably is not much he hasn't seen. I really think that all of the coaches are about the same when it comes to x's and o's, but their personalities shine through. I think back to the Saints super bowl win. It was an insane thing to start a second half with an onsides kick, but something about Payton's personality drove that decision. The team and coaches prepared it, and it worked. Had it not worked and we lost, Payton would have been vilifed on talk radio twenty years after his death.
I think Miles is every bit as smart as the rest. I think our talent is on a par with most everyone else (slight edge to Bama and Fla). Think parity and scholarship limits. Recruiting is a guess also. Who got recruited and who actually played well. I love the recruiting rants. It's like one lie after another in many ways. It is about potential talent and kinetic realization. Right now it looks like we might as well not play for an NBA championship and just award the thing to the Miami Heat.
I really think games break down to prepartion and the ability to exploit circumstanes as your game plan erodes before your eyes. So who really outshines our present coach? Nobody in my mind, but that certainly does not mean that I think he hasn't made some poor choices. Yet, I think all coaches do that. I also believe that talent is the biggest factor. If the New York Giants played "Lowest Division Middle School," my money in on the Giants. Does caoching matter? You betcha! If I had gotten the job at LSU after Saban left, I would probably have been shot my now. Even with his recruiting classes, not everyone is going to be able to utiiize the players there and get them to their potential.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 10:39 am to mamoutiga
You lost me at Arky!
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