re: Arm Management

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, pitches per inning is meaningless.

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This is completely inaccurate

[quote]The last time an mlb pitcher threw 135 pitches in a game was in 2010. It is an outrageous number of pitches, objectively.

Objectively:

1. He pitches 1/week and this week he gets an extra day. This is t the freaking MLB.
2. He won’t pitch more than 100 every week. Most likely he will be <100.
3. 135 pitches isnt nothing for a PITCHER who isn’t a MAX EFFORT guy. The issue with this stupid arse MLB is all about max effort instead of PITCHING. Look at Verlander as an example. He would pitch 7 innings and by the 8th he threw harder than he did in the first. He always finished as hard or harder than he started which says something about him PITCHING and not THROWING max effort.
4. Anderson changed speeds and threw a lot of off speed stuff including changes that come from the same slot and is basically a FB with more friction.
He was still at 92-94 in the 9th. But before then his Velo wasn’t much different.
5. No way was he going to be taken out of that game dominating the way he was. As a coach, you have to feel where the pitcher is.
6. Law of averages will say some point, he will be pulled earlier because his stuff isn’t there. 135 pitches is not that many when you look at pitchers from the past. The difference in today is the travel ball bull shite playing year round. That’s where the load comes from. I’m sure they know more about arm care than you.

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That’s not why they don’t do it anymore.

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Doesn't happen anymore because there's not many guys who can get through a big league lineup that many times, hitters are too good.

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I just said 135 is a lot

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How many games does a MLB start in a full season especially if they are on a team that goes to the playoffs?
Travel ball is why arms are the issue. Allowing your arm to rest in the offseason and managing it during the season is the key. The ONLY reason why this is being managed in college is because of the pros ie the guy isn’t burnt by the time he gets there - like Ben in some respect. Bertman used Ben far too much - throwing 150 a game and then coming back 2 days later and close games.

This is about the entirety of the season and off season. He gets PLENTY of rest between games and will not “over work” his arm by the end of the season.

In highschool Kade was pitched often to max pitch count at St Paul’s , into the 100s until he had full reconstruction Tommy John his junior year. Most docs will tell you that high inning pitch count , over 30 pitches in an inning and pitching consecutive days put you at risk the most for ucl damage . 135 is definitely more than most are comfortable with and it probably shouldn’t be a habit but every individual and situation is different. Late in the game , Kade had very efficient (low pitch count) innings, showed little or no fatigue, at least on the mound and it wasn’t a hot day.
As a parent selfishly I would have been uneasy because he’s projected first round and if he gets cut on again, his value will drop drastically.
But , because of the outcome, he probably solidified his first round grade .

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Why doesn’t anyone throw this many pitches anymore ? In your opinion.

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Max effort. It is really simple. Look at the rosters today and the pitchers on those rosters. A Greg Maddux, pitched to contact. The league is about exploding 99 mph FB and not sitting at 93 and working spots. The K rate is deceiving because all people want to do is connect and lift. Baseball is about the XBH and HR scoring versus stringing together hit after hit.

If you watched last night and listened to Walker’s comment about knoblauch, you would understand.

This isn’t about making excuses. It is about managing your pitcher. He lost literally 2 mph by the 134th pitch. He was at 94 or so in the 7th.

He is a pitcher and not a max effort guy. His worst inning was the first. You lose command as you fatigue. Did he? Nope. He got better as the game went on. It’s probably because he didn’t get in all the pregame pitches since it was raining 1 hr before game time.

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So you think other starting pitchers pitch at a different effort than Kade Anderson?

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You laugh like you’ve ever played this game. I KNOW starting pitchers that don’t go out and throw as hard as they can for 4 innings versus ones that pace themselves. Mixing pitches matters. When you have 2 pitches like most of them do and because they can’t command others, they have to throw what they can command.

The difference dumbass is Anderson was commanding 4 pitches last night. His cutter, FB, curve and his change.

Pitching is was and always be about commanding pitches which means throwing them in any count in any quadrant you want. He pretty much did that. He got Ks on changes, high FB, cutters, and spot FB.

I thought the NCAA rule implemented two years ago limited the pitch count to 115. Did this change or not enforced?

Can you show me the complaining?


Saying that is objectively a lot of pitches is not complaining.

To actually have people argue otherwise is just ignorance. But I’m here for it

135 is a lot of pitches
14 K's is a lot of strikeouts
0 runs allowed is none at all

2 runs scored isn't much
1 failed squeeze was a bad play
44 degrees for a SEC baseball game is cold




What's your point?