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re: Are we really abandoning the nickel under Chavis?
Posted on 7/29/09 at 10:03 am to jhmusicman12
Posted on 7/29/09 at 10:03 am to jhmusicman12
quote:SFP likes to plant seeds and watch 'em grow.
SFP, you should be ashamed. Letting JJ27 do all the work?
Posted on 7/29/09 at 10:19 am to JJ27
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He said his scheme has always flourished with a hybrid, a player who is a blend of linebacker and defensive back, at the outside linebacker spot. It is that sort of ability that enables Chavis' defenses to avoid nickel and other packages requiring wholesale substitutions on a particular down
Sounds like the 2009 version of a DROP LINEBACKER to me. Just hope that the Chavis version works out better than Ole Lou's did.
I like the idea of fewer substitutions. Fewer subs SHOULD mean less thinking which SHOULD mean less confusion.
So basically, we'll see a base 4-2-5 defense, with Coleman being that Hybrid LB/DB "Drop Linebacker, with Cutrera and either Riley or Shepperd being the true LB's.........
Posted on 7/29/09 at 10:28 am to TigerBandAlumnus82
quote:it would sound like that to you because you're an idiot; plus chavis has the audacity to play a black player there must really piss you off.
Sounds like the 2009 version of a DROP LINEBACKER to me
Posted on 7/29/09 at 10:39 am to SlowFlowPro
It makes sense to have a db trying to tackle demps, but what about the shovel to hernandez or the dreaded Tebow draw.
Posted on 7/29/09 at 10:40 am to LSUby6
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but what about the shovel to hernandez or the dreaded Tebow draw.
in the nickel we will have 2 LBs, who more than likely should be covering the box area
Posted on 7/29/09 at 10:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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In the nickel we will have 2 LBs, who more than likely should be covering the box area
So you are in favor of having Jai Eugene on the field instead of Coleman?
Posted on 7/29/09 at 10:48 am to LSUby6
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So you are in favor of having Jai Eugene on the field instead of Coleman?
why not have both?
Posted on 7/29/09 at 10:54 am to The Tiger King
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There is no way Coleman can cover WR's
Wasn't Coleman the player that Snead ran over on the five yard line and went in for a TD last season?
Posted on 7/29/09 at 12:16 pm to LSUSUPERSTAR
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You don't have to be a doctor to spot a retard.
Posted on 7/29/09 at 12:25 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
Good thread. But, when the other team comes out with 4/5 receivers, who goes in for the dime package?
Posted on 7/29/09 at 12:26 pm to drexyl
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it would sound like that to you because you're an idiot; plus chavis has the audacity to play a black player there must really piss you off.
KABOOM
Posted on 7/29/09 at 9:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
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subpar coverage skills. that was why he was moved to OLB
I said he had safety skills....never claimed he had great coverage skills. Most Safetys are playing safety instead of corner because they lack in coverage skills. Still, he has better coverage skills than any true LB on the roster with much better speed.
Posted on 7/29/09 at 9:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
It's pretty simple and something the entire LSU fanbase is ignoring. We will likely be a predominantly ZONE defense under Chavis. That's the only way you run this scheme effectively, and that is what Tenn did last year.
Now, if you have an alarming pass rush, zone works extremely well and you cause a shitload of turnovers. If you have merely a solid pass rush, it's hit or miss. Thank god we have Alem this year, so I'm actually a little more worried about this in 2010 than 2009.
But this is why I always talk about the need for LSU to get speedier DEs, that's the only way for this type of scheme to be great. The 290lb DEs are no longer going to work at LSU, they don't get to the QB quick enough.
And while I expect us to be better on D this year and Chavis is obviously much better than Malveto, I'd personally rather LSU run a different scheme. I'd rather have Peterson, Hawkins, and Eugene in the slot; than us sitting back in a zone. I think we are wasting Peterson's skills to a degree bc there is no need to attack him as much when you're going against a zone.
Now, if you have an alarming pass rush, zone works extremely well and you cause a shitload of turnovers. If you have merely a solid pass rush, it's hit or miss. Thank god we have Alem this year, so I'm actually a little more worried about this in 2010 than 2009.
But this is why I always talk about the need for LSU to get speedier DEs, that's the only way for this type of scheme to be great. The 290lb DEs are no longer going to work at LSU, they don't get to the QB quick enough.
And while I expect us to be better on D this year and Chavis is obviously much better than Malveto, I'd personally rather LSU run a different scheme. I'd rather have Peterson, Hawkins, and Eugene in the slot; than us sitting back in a zone. I think we are wasting Peterson's skills to a degree bc there is no need to attack him as much when you're going against a zone.
Posted on 7/29/09 at 9:30 pm to ColtsTigers
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Thank god we have Alem this year, so I'm actually a little more worried about this in 2010 than 2009.
Montgomery will fill that roll in 2010. He will be a monster off the edge.
Posted on 7/29/09 at 9:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
nickel, dime, who gives a shite?
Posted on 7/29/09 at 9:55 pm to roygu
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Wasn't Coleman the player that Snead ran over on the five yard line and went in for a TD last season?
I am glad you mentioned this. As bad as Mallaveto was, last year's defense tackled with absolutely no heart. They are going to have to play with a lot more pride this year to be where they need to be.
Posted on 7/29/09 at 10:01 pm to XbengalTiger
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Thank god we have Alem this year, so I'm actually a little more worried about this in 2010 than 2009.
Montgomery will fill that roll in 2010. He will be a monster off the edge.
And Chancey will be of this ilk too
Posted on 7/29/09 at 10:05 pm to ColtsTigers
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It's pretty simple and something the entire LSU fanbase is ignoring. We will likely be a prdominantly ZONE defense under Chavis.
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Now, if you have an alarming pass rush, zone works extremely well and you cause a shitload of turnovers. If you have merely a solid pass rush, it's hit or misse
This sounds like the opposite of the aggresive, attacking most fans want. It also sounds like it's a scheme that is weak against the run. Not really sure how this sort of scheme would work consistently, but we will see.
Posted on 7/29/09 at 10:09 pm to south bama tiger
Cahvis' defenses have generally been pretty stout against the run. There's lots of run blitzing and dominant D Tackles
Posted on 7/29/09 at 10:25 pm to Tiger in NY
I'll bet we will be better than last year. We'll start there. But I expect a lot more because I have watched Tenn play over the years. I hope for greatness because he has more to work with here than he has had at Tenn in quite awhile.
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