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re: Are we really abandoning the nickel under Chavis?

Posted on 7/29/09 at 10:03 am to
Posted by Geauxtiga
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Posted on 7/29/09 at 10:03 am to
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SFP, you should be ashamed. Letting JJ27 do all the work?
SFP likes to plant seeds and watch 'em grow.
Posted by TigerBandAlumnus82
Pensacola,FL
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 7/29/09 at 10:19 am to
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He said his scheme has always flourished with a hybrid, a player who is a blend of linebacker and defensive back, at the outside linebacker spot. It is that sort of ability that enables Chavis' defenses to avoid nickel and other packages requiring wholesale substitutions on a particular down


Sounds like the 2009 version of a DROP LINEBACKER to me. Just hope that the Chavis version works out better than Ole Lou's did.

I like the idea of fewer substitutions. Fewer subs SHOULD mean less thinking which SHOULD mean less confusion.

So basically, we'll see a base 4-2-5 defense, with Coleman being that Hybrid LB/DB "Drop Linebacker, with Cutrera and either Riley or Shepperd being the true LB's.........
Posted by drexyl
Mingovia
Member since Sep 2005
23322 posts
Posted on 7/29/09 at 10:28 am to
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Sounds like the 2009 version of a DROP LINEBACKER to me
it would sound like that to you because you're an idiot; plus chavis has the audacity to play a black player there must really piss you off.
Posted by LSUby6
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Posted on 7/29/09 at 10:39 am to
It makes sense to have a db trying to tackle demps, but what about the shovel to hernandez or the dreaded Tebow draw.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 7/29/09 at 10:40 am to
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but what about the shovel to hernandez or the dreaded Tebow draw.

in the nickel we will have 2 LBs, who more than likely should be covering the box area
Posted by LSUby6
Lafayette
Member since May 2006
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Posted on 7/29/09 at 10:44 am to
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In the nickel we will have 2 LBs, who more than likely should be covering the box area


So you are in favor of having Jai Eugene on the field instead of Coleman?
Posted by ATLTiger
#TreyBiletnikoffs
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Posted on 7/29/09 at 10:48 am to
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So you are in favor of having Jai Eugene on the field instead of Coleman?



why not have both?
Posted by roygu
Member since Jan 2004
11718 posts
Posted on 7/29/09 at 10:54 am to
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There is no way Coleman can cover WR's


Wasn't Coleman the player that Snead ran over on the five yard line and went in for a TD last season?
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
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Posted on 7/29/09 at 12:16 pm to
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You don't have to be a doctor to spot a retard.


Posted by Stingray
Shreveport
Member since Sep 2007
12441 posts
Posted on 7/29/09 at 12:25 pm to
Good thread. But, when the other team comes out with 4/5 receivers, who goes in for the dime package?
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 7/29/09 at 12:26 pm to
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it would sound like that to you because you're an idiot; plus chavis has the audacity to play a black player there must really piss you off.


KABOOM

Posted by XbengalTiger
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Member since Oct 2003
5572 posts
Posted on 7/29/09 at 9:09 pm to
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subpar coverage skills. that was why he was moved to OLB


I said he had safety skills....never claimed he had great coverage skills. Most Safetys are playing safety instead of corner because they lack in coverage skills. Still, he has better coverage skills than any true LB on the roster with much better speed.
Posted by ColtsTigers
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2009
2248 posts
Posted on 7/29/09 at 9:18 pm to
It's pretty simple and something the entire LSU fanbase is ignoring. We will likely be a predominantly ZONE defense under Chavis. That's the only way you run this scheme effectively, and that is what Tenn did last year.

Now, if you have an alarming pass rush, zone works extremely well and you cause a shitload of turnovers. If you have merely a solid pass rush, it's hit or miss. Thank god we have Alem this year, so I'm actually a little more worried about this in 2010 than 2009.

But this is why I always talk about the need for LSU to get speedier DEs, that's the only way for this type of scheme to be great. The 290lb DEs are no longer going to work at LSU, they don't get to the QB quick enough.

And while I expect us to be better on D this year and Chavis is obviously much better than Malveto, I'd personally rather LSU run a different scheme. I'd rather have Peterson, Hawkins, and Eugene in the slot; than us sitting back in a zone. I think we are wasting Peterson's skills to a degree bc there is no need to attack him as much when you're going against a zone.
Posted by XbengalTiger
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Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 7/29/09 at 9:30 pm to
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Thank god we have Alem this year, so I'm actually a little more worried about this in 2010 than 2009.


Montgomery will fill that roll in 2010. He will be a monster off the edge.
Posted by Springlake Tiger
Uptown
Member since Aug 2006
15531 posts
Posted on 7/29/09 at 9:47 pm to
nickel, dime, who gives a shite?
Posted by Tiger in NY
Neptune Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2003
31382 posts
Posted on 7/29/09 at 9:55 pm to
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Wasn't Coleman the player that Snead ran over on the five yard line and went in for a TD last season?


I am glad you mentioned this. As bad as Mallaveto was, last year's defense tackled with absolutely no heart. They are going to have to play with a lot more pride this year to be where they need to be.
Posted by Tiger in NY
Neptune Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2003
31382 posts
Posted on 7/29/09 at 10:01 pm to
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Thank god we have Alem this year, so I'm actually a little more worried about this in 2010 than 2009.




Montgomery will fill that roll in 2010. He will be a monster off the edge.


And Chancey will be of this ilk too
Posted by south bama tiger
Member since May 2008
6646 posts
Posted on 7/29/09 at 10:05 pm to
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It's pretty simple and something the entire LSU fanbase is ignoring. We will likely be a prdominantly ZONE defense under Chavis.


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Now, if you have an alarming pass rush, zone works extremely well and you cause a shitload of turnovers. If you have merely a solid pass rush, it's hit or misse


This sounds like the opposite of the aggresive, attacking most fans want. It also sounds like it's a scheme that is weak against the run. Not really sure how this sort of scheme would work consistently, but we will see.
Posted by Tiger in NY
Neptune Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2003
31382 posts
Posted on 7/29/09 at 10:09 pm to
Cahvis' defenses have generally been pretty stout against the run. There's lots of run blitzing and dominant D Tackles
Posted by tandyman
natchitoches, la.
Member since Dec 2007
460 posts
Posted on 7/29/09 at 10:25 pm to
I'll bet we will be better than last year. We'll start there. But I expect a lot more because I have watched Tenn play over the years. I hope for greatness because he has more to work with here than he has had at Tenn in quite awhile.
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