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re: Are we really abandoning the nickel under Chavis?

Posted on 7/29/09 at 4:46 am to
Posted by TippyTiger
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Posted on 7/29/09 at 4:46 am to
The reason you need this hybrid olb now is spread offenses will go no huddle and kick your defenses arse without a olb that can cover. You have to be able to play against their scheme without subbing on every situation. This does not mean we will never sub or rotate D-Line. We had major problems with this last year and where caught with our pants down quite a few times.
Posted by The Tiger King
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Posted on 7/29/09 at 6:43 am to
The problem is neither Shepp nor Coleman are covermen. There is no way Coleman can cover WR's, much less Sheppard.

Maybe Chavis is thinking of situations were there is a third receiver with two backs. Then, you might like to have that extra LB in there; esp. on earlier downs w/ +5 yards to go. In situations like that, if Brooks is comparable to our third/fourth best CB, he could let Coleman slip back and take the SS spot while having Brooks cover that third WR. I don't think Chavis would be in his right mind to suggest that we could stay in a base 4-3 when facing a shotgun offense with 3 or more WR's.

We'll have to wait unitl a couple games or more are played before we will get any firm evidence how the Chief is going use the players. Pre-season specualtion is always fun though.
This post was edited on 7/29/09 at 6:45 am
Posted by MFV
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Posted on 7/29/09 at 7:52 am to
I think we are going to see more zone.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/29/09 at 7:56 am to
quote:

I'm going to step down as armchair DC and let the Chief do his thing. He knows a shitton more about defenses and opposing offenses than I could ever know.

to be fair to you, malleveto knows a shite ton more than you also
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/29/09 at 7:59 am to
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SFP, you should be ashamed. Letting JJ27 do all the work?

while i appreciate him posting the links, i don't know why you didn't just listen to what i said. i don't lie
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/29/09 at 8:02 am to
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Coleman will be a OLB with safety skills

subpar coverage skills. that was why he was moved to OLB
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 7/29/09 at 8:17 am to
I just hope this year's defense is just less "confused". This might have been Chavis' way of saying he is going to take the KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid!) approach.

It seemed like every other play there was at least one defender looking to the sidelines with his arms outstretched and palms facing up...
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/29/09 at 8:20 am to
from everything i've read he's not goin to sub a lot

and yeah the malleveto sub patterns were one of the biggest problems last year

it was HI-larious to watch this against troy's no huddle
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 7/29/09 at 8:26 am to
quote:

it was HI-larious to watch this against troy's no huddle


that was the game where the coaches figured out troys signs
Posted by STEVED00
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Posted on 7/29/09 at 8:37 am to
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and yeah the malleveto sub patterns were one of the biggest problems last year


Without a doubt! The scheme was essentially the same as previous years. Confusion can easily level the playing field. The coaches were indecisive which led to the players being indecisive.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/29/09 at 8:40 am to
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The scheme was essentially the same as previous years.

we played more man than under bo p and it was much more simple generally

but yeah the sub patterns really f'd our guys heads up and the guys have had saban and then bo p coaching them. at some point they realized that malleveto was a joke
Posted by STEVED00
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Posted on 7/29/09 at 8:48 am to
In closing (you damn law people have got me thinking in terms of a trial), I feel that Chavis' statement was kind of a simple way of saying to fans that there would be a lot less confusion on defense w/o saying that the previous DC's philosophy was a JOKE.

This post was edited on 7/29/09 at 8:50 am
Posted by LSUby6
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Posted on 7/29/09 at 8:49 am to
There are a ton of different ways to defend....

There are people that say "you have to bring in another defensive back when they go to 3 receivers to cover", but Florida and other teams also run out of those formations.

Rantards only remember the 30 yard pass plays, but forget about first down after first down that extends drives...because you can't stop the run.

I'm less concerned about how Chavis defends, and how well this defense pressures the QB and tackles the ball. We need to get back to wrapping up...and gang tackling.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/29/09 at 9:39 am to
quote:

There are people that say "you have to bring in another defensive back when they go to 3 receivers to cover", but Florida and other teams also run out of those formations.

they run with WRs blocking and 180 lb RBs

i'd rather have a S or CB trying to catch jeff demps than sheppard or riley
Posted by Nawlens Gator
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Posted on 7/29/09 at 9:52 am to

Without a doubt last years defense was mass confusion. Never saw that at LSU before. Less substitution, everyone knowing what their responsibility is, and knowing what others responsibility is, will make a huge difference.

Hurryup no huddle is one reason the Sooners offense ticked last year. I think UF might try it some this year. Timing and tempo is very important for the defense to get use to and less substitution can only help.

Posted by King Joey
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Posted on 7/29/09 at 9:55 am to
quote:

i'd rather have a S or CB trying to catch jeff demps than sheppard or riley
Since he's faster than pretty much anyone in college football that isn't a WR, RB or return specialist, I'd rather not have anybody on our defense trying to catch Demps. I'd much prefer us to simply have a scheme where at least one defender is already in the area where Demps is running and not being pancaked by a WR. Watching Demps, Rainey and Harvin head for the perimeter where we had a 15 yard gap between a CB being pushed around by a WR and a LB still trying to figure out whether he was supposed to be covering a reciever or blitzing Tebow was just plain ugly.

A defense with a bit of discipline and focus would do wonders for that problem. Relying on finding track stars who can also tackle and read backfields is a way longer shot, imo.

Posted by Oopskie
Member since Apr 2007
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Posted on 7/29/09 at 9:55 am to
quote:

signed,

-The Chinese Bandits

-Dinardo's rolling subs for the Florida 97 game.

-Saban's D-Line rotation for the Oklahoma game.




subbing D-LINE =/= to subbing SECONDARY

Posted by truthbetold
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 7/29/09 at 9:57 am to
Say hello to this week's version of "Whatif RJ Jackson plays over RR?"

LINK or STFU, slow.
Posted by Geauxtiga
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Posted on 7/29/09 at 10:01 am to
quote:

Just saying is it really much difference between Coleman staying on the field as opposed to what LSU did last year with McCray coming in with the Nickel? Pretty much LSU will run the Nickel as their base defense with Coleman at OLB.
Great to hear, thanks.
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
23043 posts
Posted on 7/29/09 at 10:02 am to
quote:

subbing D-LINE =/= to subbing SECONDARY


Totally Agree! DL's responsibilities are a whole hell of a lot less complicated than the LBs and DBs.

With our depth at DL, we would be crazy to not rotate DL like we have in the past.
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