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re: Are these basketball additions really gonna make a difference?
Posted on 5/1/25 at 1:50 pm to Circle K Beggar
Posted on 5/1/25 at 1:50 pm to Circle K Beggar
quote:
Don’t hold your breath for an answer. I’ve asked the McMen the question ad nauseam “What is the philosophy McMahon wants to instill?” and have yet to receive any information.
With Nate Oats, you know it’s going to be a run and gun 3 point shooting team. With Kelvin Sampson, you know it’s going to be a major emphasis on defense and offensive rebounding.
Here we are heading into Year 4 of the McMahon era and yet no fans can explain the identity of this program. That’s why, given recent results, I’m very skeptical of any improvement happening.
It really makes you wonder what was discussed in McMahon’s interview for the job. It could not have been too in depth.
It's a small thing, but illustrative of the overall point that McMahon has never established any kind of identity for HIS program. That is the use of the "Boot Up" motto.
"Boot Up" wasn't some saying steeped in LSU basketball tradition. It was a goofy marketing tagline created by Wade. I would think the very first thing most new HCs would want to do when taking over a program is to establish their OWN culture. Many times that entails getting rid of everything, even mottos, of the past regime. You didn't see Kelly use Orgeron's goofy "one team, one heartbeat" motto. Johnson quickly went to work establishing his own culture for the baseball program. However, literally from his introductory press conference, McMahon came across as overwhelmed, timed, and just happy to be here. Like he was in a new house he maybe wasn't supposed to be in and was terrified of breaking something. That has persisted throughout the last three years
There is no juice in the program. No overall culture/theme of what the program wants to be. No clear mission statement. It's mostly just been a bunch of empty platitudes and cliches seemingly with the hope of just finding some sort of identity along the way. Perhaps that is a byproduct of Murray St, which was a well ingrained culture for decades preceding McMahon. Thus, he didn't need or want to change that culture.
If nothing else, get rid of the "Boot Up" mantra and the dumb "Boot Up belt." Come up with your own tagline/core statement. Your own gimmick to market the program. I would think a degree of ego is required to be a good major conf. HC, and that ego would drive a new HC to say "F-that motto! That was the old guy's thing. I'm in charge now and here is my core belief/statement for MY program. I don't give a shite what the old guy did. He's gone!" Instead, it's just been a pervasive feeling of a lack of confidence...both own and off the court.
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Posted on 5/1/25 at 2:37 pm to Safety Blitz
EMPHATIC NO!
Next question.
Next question.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 3:14 pm to Alt26
Geez, how did I know this was a'hole ,aka Alt26?
Posted on 5/1/25 at 3:43 pm to Tigershine
quote:
Geez, how did I know this was a'hole ,aka Alt26?
Point to the place on the doll that I touched you
Or, feel free to rebut the opinion. Hell, I'm actually suggesting McMahon should have said "frick Will Wade! This is my program!" from the outset and immediately put his stamp on HIS program. Instead, 3 years later, fans (at least the ones who don't blindly support the company line without any degree of critical thinking) can't figure out the core philosophy of the program or the approach. What is it?
Posted on 5/1/25 at 4:13 pm to Alt26
During a time when the program seems to be in an uptick, there is positive news about what looks like good players joining you go out of your way to put down the program. I'm not saying they'll be world beaters, may just be middle of the pack, but face it CMM is the coach this coming year. You'd live a much happier life (as would everyone else around you) if you actually pulled for the team instead of against them. But that may too much to ask of a simpleton.
BTW, I don't have a doll. Maybe you could show on yours where McMahon touched you.
BTW, I don't have a doll. Maybe you could show on yours where McMahon touched you.
This post was edited on 5/1/25 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 5/1/25 at 4:22 pm to Tigershine
“During a time when the program seems to be in an uptick, there is positive news about what looks like good players joining “
Explain please
Explain please
Posted on 5/1/25 at 4:29 pm to Madking
Which word did you not understand?
This post was edited on 5/2/25 at 7:50 pm
Posted on 5/1/25 at 4:41 pm to Tigershine
What uptick?
Posted on 5/1/25 at 4:52 pm to Safety Blitz
I gotta say - I know in a relative sense our transfer class is highly rated. But having read up on the one's we've signed to this point, I still don't have a warm fuzzy.
I would love to see them make a difference though, I really would.
I would love to see them make a difference though, I really would.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 4:53 pm to Tigershine
There is a difference between rooting for the Tigers and being dissatisfied when your hopes and dreams keep getting smashed. Every year of McMahon's time here, I have started the season optimistic and every year, no matter who the players are, we hit the SEC and crash. I will do it again this year, hoping that the new players will do better and win games. But if half way through the SEC season we only have one or two wins, well . . . that might be a bit of a downer. It is also very discouraging when the team mills around and looks as thought they don't know what to do. How many times have we had the same mistakes over and over again with no correction from the coaching staff? How many times does a player start to play good and then two plays later McMahon takes him out of the game? Why aren't timeouts called when the game starts to get away from us? On and on and on. I am optimistic and pulling for the Tigers every game until proven different but if the crash comes again, I, for one have had enough.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 5:08 pm to Tiger Ugly
For this roster to work we’ll have to have a couple of these wings over perform by a ton to even be competitive. Everyone thinking Thomas will be a volume scorer hasn’t watched him at all. He is a fine player but he’s a true PG who’s more of a distributor not a scorer as his low shooting percentages show. So Reed and Miller will have to make near impossible jumps and one or more of these middling wings will have to do the same. Is that likely, almost assuredly not, it’s a long shot and that’s not even taking into account the head coach who’s never proven he can coach his way up.
This post was edited on 5/1/25 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 5/1/25 at 5:12 pm to Tigershine
quote:
During a time when the program seems to be in an uptick, there is positive news about what looks like good players joining you go out of your way to put down the program.
What uptick? The team hasn't played a single game in the 25-26 season.
Whether the acquisition of new players is positive or not is subjective. I don't think I've unreasonably dumped on any of the players. In fact in this very thread I said
quote:
So far the roster looks to have a solid PG; a few mid-major wings with experience and potential, but clear holes in their games (notably shooting). There is frontcourt depth, but not exactly explosive athletes. Rob Miller has the most potential with high major traits (good length and a growing ablity to play inside/and out). Nwoko has major conf. athleticism, but his limited in skill. Reed is coming off a major knee injury.
It looks like the roster has guys who can get to the rim. Defense is concerning because there isn't much rim protection unless Miller takes a big step. Nwoko is the only guy there. The shooting looks VERY concerning overall.
Just like all of McMahon's previous rosters, there is probably a path/approach to success.
None of that opinion is without a supporting basis
I guess where you and I differ is that I don't just look at the mere acquisition of players as an "uptick". LSU was ALWAYS going to sign players...just like they have in the past 3 offseasons. This collection of players could be great. Who knows? But having seen virtually the exact same posts, with the exact same superlatives given to describe the roster construction in the offseason, and the exact same bristling by some in response to anything other than effusive praise for the past 3 offseason, only to followed be followed by mediocre to awful results once the games are played forgive me if I remain skeptical things will change next season under McMahon. And with respect to this year's signing class being an "uptick", I think it's relevant to the discussion that the class in many ways currently mirrors the 2022 signing class which featured a slew of new transfers (ranked 11th in the country) a solid HS class (ranked 17th) to add to a small number of returning players. So no, I don't think it is off-base to question if this offseason is really any better or, as you put it, an "uptick'" relative to any of the 3 prior LSU teams.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 5:15 pm to Alt26
How about the elephant in the room that’s all of the sudden disappeared from the conversation which is this narrative that we were “gonna spend on par with the elites” this cycle? Does this roster reflect that, of course not so that promise has evaporated and we’re supposed to forget about it and just hope that something miraculous happens to pacify the mcmen. This is insanity personified.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 8:00 pm to Alt26
quote:
It's a small thing, but illustrative of the overall point that McMahon has never established any kind of identity for HIS program. That is the use of the "Boot Up" motto.
"Boot Up" wasn't some saying steeped in LSU basketball tradition. It was a goofy marketing tagline created by Wade. I would think the very first thing most new HCs would want to do when taking over a program is to establish their OWN culture. Many times that entails getting rid of everything, even mottos, of the past regime. You didn't see Kelly use Orgeron's goofy "one team, one heartbeat" motto. Johnson quickly went to work establishing his own culture for the baseball program. However, literally from his introductory press conference, McMahon came across as overwhelmed, timed, and just happy to be here. Like he was in a new house he maybe wasn't supposed to be in and was terrified of breaking something. That has persisted throughout the last three years
There is no juice in the program. No overall culture/theme of what the program wants to be. No clear mission statement. It's mostly just been a bunch of empty platitudes and cliches seemingly with the hope of just finding some sort of identity along the way. Perhaps that is a byproduct of Murray St, which was a well ingrained culture for decades preceding McMahon. Thus, he didn't need or want to change that culture.
If nothing else, get rid of the "Boot Up" mantra and the dumb "Boot Up belt." Come up with your own tagline/core statement. Your own gimmick to market the program. I would think a degree of ego is required to be a good major conf. HC, and that ego would drive a new HC to say "F-that motto! That was the old guy's thing. I'm in charge now and here is my core belief/statement for MY program. I don't give a shite what the old guy did. He's gone!" Instead, it's just been a pervasive feeling of a lack of confidence...both own and off the court.
Spot on
Posted on 5/1/25 at 8:02 pm to Madking
quote:
How about the elephant in the room that’s all of the sudden disappeared from the conversation which is this narrative that we were “gonna spend on par with the elites” this cycle?
The McMen didn’t account for the fact that other basketball programs that actually care about results will also up their NIL year to year. They just expected only LSU to increase while everyone stayed the same. It’s really delusional thinking.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 8:10 pm to Circle K Beggar
You know, I asked that very question and was told it didn’t matter because we had so much money.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 8:17 pm to Circle K Beggar
He had a plan but obviously it hasn’t worked.JUst like BK he was hired right when the world of college sports changed and not for the better.MM was too slow to react and now is behind the 8 ball.If a coach doesn’t win in their 1st couple of years it’s very hard for him to recruit both high school and portal players.BK got to the SEC champ game his 1st season which enabled him to start his program much faster.MM is in no mans land and will probably be gone after next season.The positive about next BB season is he finically has a point guard,which is huge.I will support the players with LSU across their jerseys.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 8:50 pm to GeauxTime9
No. This program will not improve until MM is gone. He is not the right fit for the NIL era.
So we are spending additional NIL for no ROI?
So we are spending additional NIL for no ROI?
Posted on 5/1/25 at 8:57 pm to Safety Blitz
Nope
Posted on 5/1/25 at 9:22 pm to Circle K Beggar
quote:Absolutely no one thought that. The idea is that LSU was doing the minimal amount in NIL the past few years and we're going to up the amount to a competitive level. Now some teams clearly raised their NIL more than average as well.
The McMen didn’t account for the fact that other basketball programs that actually care about results will also up their NIL year to year. They just expected only LSU to increase while everyone stayed the same. It’s really delusional thinking.
Personally, with the covid year players running out of eligibility, I expected some inflated prices. Should settle back next year.
I think you will see a lot of programs come back to Earth a bit as the super seniors aren't around as much.
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