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re: Are JJ or Lee draftable?
Posted on 4/16/11 at 7:51 am to Hulkklogan
Posted on 4/16/11 at 7:51 am to Hulkklogan
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piss poor accuracy, and bad decision making.
sounds like your describing Lee
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He could possibly make it to a practice squad.
yeah , OK
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Posted on 4/16/11 at 8:16 am to boxcar willie
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sounds like your describing Lee
Sounds like both Lee and JJ, but Lee has an NFL-calibur release and more tangibles to work with. Lee's listed as 6'2 or 6'3, he's not short. Lee's not always inaccurate. In fact, he's generally much more accurate than JJ, he just throws the occasional lame duck or bad decision that winds up as a pick or pick 6.
Posted on 4/16/11 at 8:35 am to Hulkklogan
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more tangibles to work with
what tangibles are those?
Posted on 4/16/11 at 10:56 am to thejudge
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I think Lee has more talent than nall.
Posted on 4/16/11 at 10:59 am to Hulkklogan
Willie doesn't like Lee but hates when people criticize Jefferson....
He is like a few others who believe people "hate" Jefferson when they are critical of him but it is ok to be critical of Lee because he is "Pick 6 Lee"
I laugh at them
He is like a few others who believe people "hate" Jefferson when they are critical of him but it is ok to be critical of Lee because he is "Pick 6 Lee"
I laugh at them
Posted on 4/16/11 at 11:00 am to Hot Carl
quote:wow is all I can say
I think Lee has more talent than nall.
Posted on 4/16/11 at 12:04 pm to tduecen
The only reason Nall didn't start at LSU is because he had Rohan "Captain Awesome" Davey in front of him.
Lee had a quicker release, but Nall had everything else all over Lee.
Lee had a quicker release, but Nall had everything else all over Lee.
Posted on 4/16/11 at 12:06 pm to boxcar willie
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what tangibles are those?
Mechanics, doesn't stare down receivers as bad, release, footwork is actually better than JJ's until he's pressured, passes better (except for when he makes bad decisions and gets picked).
NFL teams can fix things like this. But they can't when the tangibles are as bad as JJ's.
Posted on 4/16/11 at 12:13 pm to Hulkklogan
quote:only release.
Mechanics
quote:as bad, or worse.
doesn't stare down receivers as bad
quote:Nope. They are a push at best. . .but JJ is likely ahead of Lee.
footwork is actually better than JJ's until he's pressured
Lee has perfectly miserable footwork. Among the worst I have ever seen. Pressure or no
quote:moderately.
passes better
I think you guys are parroting memes.
The only tangible Lee has is a quick release. That is it.
The only tangible JJ has is mobility.
Posted on 4/16/11 at 12:27 pm to tduecen
It's possible, maybe even likely. My worst fear as a Saints fan would be to see the Falcons upgrade at QB by taking Lee. Kid's got an uncanny Favre-like gunslinger ability to make mind-boggling throws, and he share's some of Brees' physical attributes- specifically height and maybe weight. Coupled with a huge confidence boost from being able to play on an SEC team, which we all acknowledge to be the pinnacle of organized football.
I just hope the Falcons don't read this and get the scoop. I'd dread Gregg Williams' defense having to face Lee instead of Ryan twice a year.
I just hope the Falcons don't read this and get the scoop. I'd dread Gregg Williams' defense having to face Lee instead of Ryan twice a year.
Posted on 4/16/11 at 12:31 pm to Roaad
Tangibles isn't only what they do strongly, but everything a person does mechanically and their physical attributes, which JJ is bigger than Lee.. So to say "JJ's only tangible is running" is B.S. unless you mean to say "The only thing he's got going for him is running". Same goes for Lee.
And Lee's mechanics are better, simply put. There's no arguing that, that's why Lee's a better passer. But he can't keep a level head and JJ is better about that and he can run, which is why he's starting for LSU.
And Lee's mechanics are better, simply put. There's no arguing that, that's why Lee's a better passer. But he can't keep a level head and JJ is better about that and he can run, which is why he's starting for LSU.
This post was edited on 4/16/11 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 4/16/11 at 12:36 pm to Hulkklogan
I mean his only tangible that would benefit him in the eyes of scouts.
That is what we are talking about here, right?
Are you saying that Lee's quick release is all that encompasses "mechanics"?
Lee has shitty mechanics. . .he just has a quick release.
That is what we are talking about here, right?
quote:What do you mean mechanics? Footwork is a big part of "mechanics".
And Lee's mechanics are better, simply put.
Are you saying that Lee's quick release is all that encompasses "mechanics"?
Lee has shitty mechanics. . .he just has a quick release.
quote:I just did, and you are wrong.
There's no arguing that
quote:he is a better passer, but not by a large margin.
that's why Lee's a better passer
This post was edited on 4/16/11 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 4/16/11 at 12:42 pm to Roaad
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What do you mean mechanics? Footwork is a big part of "mechanics".
Are you saying that Lee's quick release is all that encompasses "mechanics"?
Lee has shitty mechanics. . .he just has a quick release.
His mechanics are better than JJ. If he didn't, he wouldn't be a better passer. Lee has "happy feet" when he gets nervous, but if not for that his mechanics are better. Feet, doesn't have a wind-up, the follow through, all part of his mechanics. He doesn't have as strong of an arm as JJ so he has to have better mechanics to make throws. That's why he can zip passes into slants and throws a prettier pass.
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I just did, and you are wrong.
No, you're arguing something that's not true. You are wrong. I can agree to disagree here but there's no way Lee's a better passer with worse mechanics.
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he is a better passer, but not by a large margin.
I never stated he was by a large margin, but he throws a prettier pass and can make more throws than JJ. When he does quick throws and the pressure isn't getting to him he can zip it in quickly, that's why his 2 minute drills are usually pretty good and he can come in and save games. But he doesn't have the arm for long bombs.
Posted on 4/16/11 at 12:54 pm to siliconvalleytiger
absolutely they are. 
Posted on 4/16/11 at 12:54 pm to Hulkklogan
quote:There are plenty of QB's with bad mechanics that are good passers.
His mechanics are better than JJ. If he didn't, he wouldn't be a better passer.
VY had shitty mechanics in college, but led the league in pass efficiency.
quote:His release is the only thing that is better than JJ. JJ sets his feet and squares his shoulders considerably better than Lee.
Lee has "happy feet" when he gets nervous, but if not for that his mechanics are better.
quote:Lee sucks at intermediate and short passes.
That's why he can zip passes into slants and throws a prettier pass.
quote:I just proved it is possible.
I can agree to disagree here but there's no way Lee's a better passer with worse mechanics.
Kerry Collins had odd mechanics, too.
Posted on 4/16/11 at 12:56 pm to Roaad
Sad thing is, JL's dad was/is a coach!!!
Posted on 4/16/11 at 12:57 pm to TheDoc
He didn't have much to work with. . .I wouldn't be too hard on him.
Posted on 4/16/11 at 12:59 pm to Roaad
JL was an Elite 11 qb
Gotta throw the bullshite flag on your comment
Gotta throw the bullshite flag on your comment
This post was edited on 4/16/11 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 4/16/11 at 1:01 pm to TheDoc
quote:I remember Matt Detillier's report from that camp.
JL was an Elite 11 qb
Something along the lines of the coach wondering how this kid got there. That he was the worst guy at the camp, by a large margin.
He reported that on Scout msg board, and LSU fans ripped him for it.
This post was edited on 4/16/11 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 4/16/11 at 1:03 pm to tduecen
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Willie doesn't like Lee but hates when people criticize Jefferson....
He is like a few others who believe people "hate" Jefferson when they are critical of him but it is ok to be critical of Lee because he is "Pick 6 Lee"
Tduecen dosen't like when people are critical of Lee, but it's OK to be critical of Jefferson.
This post was edited on 4/16/11 at 1:07 pm
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