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re: Any examples of a HC turning it around?
Posted on 12/9/20 at 9:13 am to Lester Earl
Posted on 12/9/20 at 9:13 am to Lester Earl
this is like the bullshite were people wanted to give les an extra win for a canceled game 
I do think O could have won at least 3/4 of the OOC schedule. Vandy wouldn't be on the schedule this year and mizzou wouldn't so take 1 win and 1 loss off.
Now we can make arguments that we don't lose to state if the schedule is normal because sting wouldn't be out for whatever reason.
so lets way we win 3 of the 4 OOC with a loss to Texas, we still beat Arky and South Caroline so we are sitting at 5 wins. I don't think we can beat auburn, bama, a&m, Florida. So the only possible way to 6 -7 wins would be sweep of ole miss and state. I can see state as a win. so we had to fight to get ourselves to 6 wins.
I do think O could have won at least 3/4 of the OOC schedule. Vandy wouldn't be on the schedule this year and mizzou wouldn't so take 1 win and 1 loss off.
Now we can make arguments that we don't lose to state if the schedule is normal because sting wouldn't be out for whatever reason.
so lets way we win 3 of the 4 OOC with a loss to Texas, we still beat Arky and South Caroline so we are sitting at 5 wins. I don't think we can beat auburn, bama, a&m, Florida. So the only possible way to 6 -7 wins would be sweep of ole miss and state. I can see state as a win. so we had to fight to get ourselves to 6 wins.
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Posted on 12/9/20 at 9:15 am to Big4SALTbro
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this is like the bullshite were people wanted to give les an extra win for a canceled game
Bruh, the cancelled game was against McNeese. Les never lost those games. Not close to what LE is trying to do here.
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I can see state as a win
Wut?
Posted on 12/9/20 at 9:16 am to beardedzeus
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Brian Kelly
He turned it around by hiring two straight great DC's and two very good OC's (jury out on Reese in his first year, but it has a lot of potential). He also does a great job of keeping players for 4 full years and having tons of experience.
Everything BK did to have Notre Dame playing at the level it has the last 4 years or so is basically what O did perfectly with yall last year. Great coordinators and an experienced team.
To turn it around, O just needs to repeat that formula-hire an OC and DC that can actually coach football in 2020, and stop bleeding players like LSU is doing. When you have like 36 players leave in a year, and a culture of 3 and out, you can never build a sustainable program.
Posted on 12/9/20 at 9:17 am to S
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Still, 8-4 off an sec title and nearly back in it the next season was nothing to complain about 3 years from back to back losing seasons. My confidence in saban was sky high, i knew we’d be good in 03 but didn’t expect to win it all
Oh for sure.
Obviously not trying to belittle Saban. Just thought it should be mentioned as an example of a quick turnaround in both directions, not that we were in a 2020 situation in 2002
Posted on 12/9/20 at 9:18 am to LNCHBOX
state later in the year has been terrible and it is making the assumption that after an ooc shiftiest we fix things.
yes Les never lost those type of games and it was mcneese but people paraded it around like we had a 10 win season. we didn't
yes Les never lost those type of games and it was mcneese but people paraded it around like we had a 10 win season. we didn't
Posted on 12/9/20 at 9:20 am to Big4SALTbro
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state later in the year has been terrible and it is making the assumption that after an ooc shiftiest we fix things.
Ain't no fixing this defense
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yes Les never lost those type of games and it was mcneese but people paraded it around like we had a 10 win season. we didn't
For all intents and purposes we did though. Anyone denying it simply had an axe to grind against Miles trying to use that year as a non-10 win season, which a lot did.
Posted on 12/9/20 at 9:20 am to Tiger Voodoo
Miles did run it into the ground. I make determinations through information over a longer period of time that one year.
O very well could run it into the ground, as I said in my other post this morning when you asked my thoughts.
O very well could run it into the ground, as I said in my other post this morning when you asked my thoughts.
Posted on 12/9/20 at 9:21 am to LSUsuperfresh
We wouldn't get Vandy, but without COVID blocking Spring and Summer ball I would think our young team would've beaten MSU and Missouri.
Posted on 12/9/20 at 9:22 am to Lester Earl
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Miles did run it into the ground.
If what he did was run it into the ground, how do you even put words to what's happening now? quote:
O very well could run it into the ground
Could?
We already there. Please respond to my recruiting./roster management questions now and tell me how he will fix this.Posted on 12/9/20 at 9:23 am to CatfishJohn
mizzou wouldn't be on our schedule
Posted on 12/9/20 at 9:24 am to LSUsuperfresh
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Are there any examples of a coach that had a team operating at a very high level, fall apart (sub 0.500 season)
Brian Kelly went 4-8 a few years ago. Bobby Bowden was close. Had a 6-5 season after 3/4 10+ win seasons early on in his career at FSU. Joe Paterno at pedo state did this several times throughout his career. Vince Dooley had a few random seasons mixed in during his career where he went anywhere from 5-6 to 6-5. Woody Hayes had a couple of random losing seasons at OSU. However, I don't believe anyone has gone from an undefeated national championship to going 3-7 the following season. Only LSU could achieve such an unprecedented mark like that
This post was edited on 12/9/20 at 9:32 am
Posted on 12/9/20 at 9:24 am to Lester Earl
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Miles did run it into the ground.
Nah.
He stalled it out for sure though and was time to give someone else the keys.
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I make determinations through information over a longer period of time that one year.
Does that apply to 2019 as well?
Would you agree that 19 appears to be an outlier in trying to evaluate the program since 2016 when O took over?
Not even speaking just on the results, which are obviously an outlier. But the circumstances that contributed to the results (bringing in a QB trained by Meyer, a PGC whose results are the exception to other O hires, etc)
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O very well could run it into the ground, as I said in my other post this morning when you asked my thoughts.
Was a solid post, thanks for the thoughts
This post was edited on 12/9/20 at 9:27 am
Posted on 12/9/20 at 9:27 am to LNCHBOX
I agree not much bo can fix, but sting would be playing in the later in the year state game this time.
FWIW I am 100 percent against excusing a losing record to covid. its clear that we would be on the cusp of that in a normal year with such a bad staff construction.
I think there is a clear line of demarcation though once a program sinks below 500 that it is harder to get the program back up.
You can take a blip 7/5 year much easier than a losing record. History at LSU and the NCAA abroad is not in Os favor.
FWIW I am 100 percent against excusing a losing record to covid. its clear that we would be on the cusp of that in a normal year with such a bad staff construction.
I think there is a clear line of demarcation though once a program sinks below 500 that it is harder to get the program back up.
You can take a blip 7/5 year much easier than a losing record. History at LSU and the NCAA abroad is not in Os favor.
Posted on 12/9/20 at 9:28 am to Tiger Voodoo
2019 wasn’t a 1 year thing, it was the culmination of of a build that you guys denied was happening for 3 years.
This is a swing offseason. Like I said ask me in about 4 months & I can probably tell you how this story ends
This is a swing offseason. Like I said ask me in about 4 months & I can probably tell you how this story ends
Posted on 12/9/20 at 9:28 am to LSUsuperfresh
LSU could have easily lost to Rice. We know O isn't above losing to Mid majors.
Posted on 12/9/20 at 9:29 am to Lester Earl
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Miles did run it into the ground. I make determinations through information over a longer period of time that one year.
Acting intellectually superior in a thread where you’ve said some truly ignorant shite. Never change please.
Posted on 12/9/20 at 9:29 am to Big4SALTbro
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I agree not much bo can fix, but sting would be playing in the later in the year state game this time.
If we're gonna change rosters for the game, you have to take Brennan away then. It's not worth playing the what if game tough really, because what's happening is all that really natters
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FWIW I am 100 percent against excusing a losing record to covid. its clear that we would be on the cusp of that in a normal year with such a bad staff construction.
I think there is a clear line of demarcation though once a program sinks below 500 that it is harder to get the program back up.
Agreed.
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History at LSU and the NCAA abroad is not in Os favor.
Also agree.
Posted on 12/9/20 at 9:31 am to Lester Earl
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that you guys denied was happening for 3 years.
Thank god he lucked into Brady for a year
There was no "building" to that offense. We don't get brady, last year doesn't happen. Simple as that. quote:
Like I said ask me in about 4 months & I can probably tell you how this story ends
Answer my questions about recruiting and roster management.
Posted on 12/9/20 at 9:32 am to LNCHBOX
I have no clue what question you keep talking about. What are you asking
Posted on 12/9/20 at 9:32 am to Tiger Voodoo
Miles did just about everything other than run it completely aground. He was very close considering the late career records, roster construction and the fact we couldn't beat bama or teams after bama. He also started to have a very stale culture.
O fixed those things pretty quick but has now managed to have a complete toxic culture.
I will say a lax season after a NC isn't a complete shocker. It took Saban until his 3rd national title to build the machine he built at bama. Its just shocking how bad it has been which was a perfect storm of shite hires and mass exodus of great players with only soft kids left
His first NC here, he had a bounce down season before he left, but we were set to be a title contender in 05 with him. Then at bama his 09 title was followed by a lack luster 10. Since 11 though he has been a machine.
Urban even had it at UF, title in 06 very down 07 title in 08.
Les had it here, won in 07 then 08 09 way down 10 went back up some before the peak in 11.
Dabo and Urban both escaped the dips but they got to do it in much easier places.
O fixed those things pretty quick but has now managed to have a complete toxic culture.
I will say a lax season after a NC isn't a complete shocker. It took Saban until his 3rd national title to build the machine he built at bama. Its just shocking how bad it has been which was a perfect storm of shite hires and mass exodus of great players with only soft kids left
His first NC here, he had a bounce down season before he left, but we were set to be a title contender in 05 with him. Then at bama his 09 title was followed by a lack luster 10. Since 11 though he has been a machine.
Urban even had it at UF, title in 06 very down 07 title in 08.
Les had it here, won in 07 then 08 09 way down 10 went back up some before the peak in 11.
Dabo and Urban both escaped the dips but they got to do it in much easier places.
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