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re: Anonymous coach rips Saban for cheating
Posted on 8/20/18 at 1:16 pm to atltiger6487
Posted on 8/20/18 at 1:16 pm to atltiger6487
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The NCAA and SEC had nothing to do with it.
Right...
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Posted on 8/20/18 at 1:18 pm to atltiger6487
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You simply CANNOT claim that Saban wasn't an elite coach prior to Bama. If you do, it's just outright jealousy.
He was 3-5 career in bowls and his best season was a one-loss season; he had two two-loss seasons, and several 3, 4, and 5 loss seasons, and a couple of 6-loss seasons. This is what you claim to be elite?
Posted on 8/20/18 at 1:20 pm to LSUStar
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The NCAA and SEC had nothing to do with it [the 2011 final BCS rankings].
quote:so what did the NCAA and SEC do? Lobby each of the dozens of poll voters to vote Bama no. 2? Hack into the computer rankings to change the formula?
Right...
Are you freaking serious?
The levels of homerism and conspiracy theories on this board is just shocking.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 1:26 pm to The First Cut
quote:you're cherry-picking.
He was 3-5 career in bowls and his best season was a one-loss season; he had two two-loss seasons, and several 3, 4, and 5 loss seasons, and a couple of 6-loss seasons. This is what you claim to be elite?
Saban had very high success prior to Bama.
He took Toledo from 6-5 to a MAC championship in his first year. Took a bad Mich State team to 9-2. He took LSU to an SEC championship his second year, and a national championship in his 4th year.
Man, if you don't think that's a very high level of success (at multiple schools, no less), then I simply don't know what to tell you.
He was one of the top coaches available, that's why Bama threw a ton on money at him to hire him. They knew what they were getting.
This post was edited on 8/20/18 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 8/20/18 at 1:33 pm to atltiger6487
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you're cherry-picking.
I cherry-picked his entire coaching career?
Let's also not forget that the SEC was entirely different when Saban was at LSU. The strength of the conference was in the east. UF, UT, and UGA were the powerhouse players. The west was weak. Bama was up and down, at best, Auburn did OK under Tubbs, State was garbage, Arkansas was OK under Nutt, and Ole Miss made a little noise when Eli was there. It was a far easier west to navigate in those days and Saban was good for three to five losses every year but one.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 1:56 pm to The First Cut
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you're cherry-picking.
quote:I meant you're cherry-picking which stats to use.
I cherry-picked his entire coaching career?
Saban's an exceptional coach, and has showed that throughout his career. Each of the teams below were mediocre/poor when he took over:
Toledo: conference championship in his first year
LSU: conference championship in his second year; national championship in his fourth year
Alabama: conference championship in his second year; national championship in his third year
But you go right ahead and keep arguing. Saban is the best college football coach in history, and I'd take him back in a heartbeat over any other coach out there.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 2:28 pm to Goldrush25
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Why wouldn't we want a coach that does everything he can to get recruits to commit, not in a foolish manner but in a way that doesn't attract an inordinate amount of attention to the program's methods?
We should. However, LSU and Bama are two different places both geographically and culturally. Bama will do whatever is necessary in order to create the best program and pay almost any price.....now. Saban is pretty remarkable in terms of his ability to sell and recruit.....his closest competition nationally is Ohio State and before that, Florida under Meyer. After those two, in reality, take your pick. Dabo maybe, Stoops was pretty good at Oklahoma, but they are all second tier compared to the other two. Fisher- after initial success at FSU he started to fade out. Maybe the guy at Washington moves up to a Stoops/ Dabo position. But right now, he's lumped in with the rest
Posted on 8/20/18 at 2:32 pm to KiwiHead
You don't need to be first tier coach to upset the apple cart.
You need someone that can recruit well, can nail down one side of the ball. Ideally you find someone that has a pathological obsession with avoiding failure. Find the guy that can do all of that and you have a fighting chance to beat Saban.
You need someone that can recruit well, can nail down one side of the ball. Ideally you find someone that has a pathological obsession with avoiding failure. Find the guy that can do all of that and you have a fighting chance to beat Saban.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 2:44 pm to Goldrush25
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You need someone that can recruit well, can nail down one side of the ball. Ideally you find someone that has a pathological obsession with avoiding failure. Find the guy that can do all of that and you have a fighting chance to beat Saban.
No doubt, but you need someone with a brain in their head to counter act Saban's brain because his is always working. LSU has not had that ....since....Saban. Ole Miss had it, but even he had to cross lines to accomplish what he did for a short time. Freeze was one of the smartest coaches overall that had been in the SEC for a long while aside from Saban.
I think in the next 2-3 years it will be interesting to watch what Mullen does with the talent that is available in Florida and Georgia. This year will be rough for him, but as he gets his system in and the players he wants, I think Florida will become an extremely tough out for anyone, including Saban.
Also, I don't think Orgeron is the total idiot people think he is. But, I don't think he can match wits with Saban either on gameday or on the recruiting trail. But I think he can match up pretty well with Fisher and Muschamp as well as Smart
Posted on 8/20/18 at 3:13 pm to airfernando
Since you don't have any evidence, does that mean I can?
Posted on 8/20/18 at 3:23 pm to The First Cut
Saban achieved greatness while at LSU (of course), but he still made mistakes during that time. He didn't become this elite Saban until he got to Alabama. I held out hope that he would still be stubborn and hard-headed, especially on the offensive side of the ball, BUT almost needless to say, those hopes were dashed. Now the sonofabitch just whoops my arse every single year, and as my arse starts bleeding, he dumps salt all into the wounds.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 3:34 pm to atltiger6487
Look friend, no need to get angry. It's your problem if you cannot see what happened then and is going on now. Follow the money. It has nothing to do with homerism. I am an LSU fan for sure, but that doesn't mean that the playing field is level.
Still laughing....
Still laughing....
Posted on 8/20/18 at 3:43 pm to atltiger6487
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He was one of the top coaches available, that's why Bama threw a ton on money at him to hire him. They knew what they were getting
Yes, and Saban knew that Shula had recruited pretty well while he was there. The core of that 2008 team that won the SEC were Shula players.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 3:50 pm to Dizz
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Everyone cheats.
Probably so but look up the times Alabama has been CAUGHT.
Auburn & Bama are neck and neck in the top 4 last I checked.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 3:51 pm to airfernando
If you make an accusation about something, have something to back it up. Talk is cheap
Posted on 8/20/18 at 4:46 pm to Lsuhoohoo
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Anonymous coach rips Saban for cheating
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Kiffin without a doubt.
I’m not sure Kiffin cares about remaining anonymous. Dude lives to troll.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 4:48 pm to OLDBEACHCOMBER
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Everyone cheats.
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Probably so but look up the times Alabama has been CAUGHT.
Auburn & Bama are neck and neck in the top 4 last I checked.
Bear Bryant wrote the book on cheating. The NCAA enacted rules because of him. He had friggin’ D-linemen at ‘Bama on swimming scholarships to circumvent limits.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 11:57 pm to tduecen
My whole point was that those rankings aren’t based on any quantifiable metric. It’s basically a popularity contest and some manipulation by admissions departments. I guess you missed that...because you aren’t very smart.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 1:13 am to Drizzt
Hummers, hoes and no homework.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:06 am to LSUStar
quote:you dodged my question.
Look friend, no need to get angry. It's your problem if you cannot see what happened then and is going on now. Follow the money. It has nothing to do with homerism. I am an LSU fan for sure, but that doesn't mean that the playing field is level.
What specifically did the NCAA and SEC do to influence the 2011 final BCS rankings which put Bama at no. 2? Remember, the BCS rankings were 2/3 human polls and 1/3 computer rankings.
Be specific.
(and don't say Russian collusion)
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