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re: Anonymous coach rips Saban for cheating
Posted on 8/20/18 at 1:24 am to AshLSU
Posted on 8/20/18 at 1:24 am to AshLSU
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If he was a great Xs and Os coach, he wouldn’t have failed so miserably in the NFL.
Saban is the best at college football coaching because he is the best at recruiting. Now we can argue whether or not he is the best at recruiting because of cheating, but to claim he is the best at coaching with his NFL record is absurd.
Boom! There is no answer for this.
Saban is afraid to coach on an even playing field. The pinnacle of coaching lies in the NFL where the best coaches end up.
Saban realized he cannot stack the deck in the pros to his favor, so he went back to the kiddie table, so he could be the big fish in the little pond...
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Posted on 8/20/18 at 1:30 am to Antonio Moss
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You have it backwards. Recruits flock to him because he is a great coach. If you were a five star prospect, why wouldn’t you go to Alabama?
Followers join the strong current - leaders challenge themselves by swimming against it.
No one remembers how great Goliath's record was before the historical legend. David became the legend because he dared to take on the juggernaut that was Goliath and won.
You can be one of 5,6 or 7 teams that won a championship in Bama - be part of the herd, another cog in the machine. People wont remember the players, just the coach.
Saban gets all the credit like some god, but he didnt play a down or pay one bit in sweat or blood like the players.
Some people wanna join a fortune 500 company, true visionaries wanna create their own.
Only cowards lack the vision and courage to risk breaking the mold - the rest of you Saban sycophants sucking at his teets have to rationalize joining the best because you are afraid of failing.
Id rather go down fighting on my feet, than win a championship on my knees for that narcissist.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 1:43 am to Bamboozles
We coming
This post was edited on 8/20/18 at 2:53 am
Posted on 8/20/18 at 1:44 am to Westbank Hank
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Saban benefits off of getting the best players every year. And the reason he gets the best players every year is because of how much they win. When he went to the NFL and coach against other great coaches he failed miserably. Winning=Recruits and Recruits=Winning
If Pete Carrol came back to the college game, he is the only guy i think could out coach/recruit Satan.
He failed in Miami because they went with Culpepper over Brees
Posted on 8/20/18 at 2:06 am to Antonio Moss
He wouldn't even sniffs trophy at Moo St. Like someone said it's about the Jimmy and Joe's and not so much the x's and o's. Even Saban is not going to pull in those kind of players at Moo state
Posted on 8/20/18 at 2:13 am to BillyBobBlitzkrieg
Anyone who doubts his recruiting acumen is just not living in reality. He is by far the best recruiter of all time and I don't see how anyone can argue with any credibility that he is not. That is what makes him the greatest college coach of all time. Recruiting.
Recruiting is probably the biggest part of being a college coach so therefore that in and of itself makes him a great college coach.
Recruiting is probably the biggest part of being a college coach so therefore that in and of itself makes him a great college coach.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 2:17 am to BillyBobBlitzkrieg
Unfortunately kids these days just follow the herd and want to go down the easy Road. Very few of them have that kind of fight in them to take on the challenge that it takes to not go to Alabama. It's just the whole participation trophy mentality that they were raised in.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 2:25 am to boxcar willie
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Anyone who doubts his recruiting acumen is just not living in reality. He is by far the best recruiter of all time and I don't see how anyone can argue with any credibility that he is not. That is what makes him the greatest college coach of all time. Recruiting.
Recruiting is probably the biggest part of being a college coach so therefore that in and of itself makes him a great college coach.
I dont think anyone here is arguing against that. We are merely saying that his great coaching relies on his recruiting and stacking the deck in his favor. It is inherently part of the college game - hence he is a great college coach, but only an average game day coach as evidenced by his overall record when coaching against teams with equal or greater talent i.e. NFL
Posted on 8/20/18 at 2:27 am to boxcar willie
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Unfortunately kids these days just follow the herd and want to go down the easy Road. Very few of them have that kind of fight in them to take on the challenge that it takes to not go to Alabama. It's just the whole participation trophy mentality that they were raised in.
Agreed - which is why I personally believe former Bama players become busts more frequently than they did under Miles at LSU. They were used to hand holding, Saban micromanaging their careers and keeping their troubles off the radar. The NFL will not do that for you
Posted on 8/20/18 at 2:37 am to BillyBobBlitzkrieg
They have so many NFL busts is due to the amount of talent and depth that is stockpiled at Alabama. A lot of very talented players don't get the playing time nor the challenge that they would have received if they had attended another school due to all the other great talent that is around and ahead of them, thus they don't get the development at a critical time in their young maturing years.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 2:47 am to BillyBobBlitzkrieg
The thing is is that the NCAA looks at it as bad for business if they were to go after Alabama, just like the NBA with golden state. They feel they need these kind of historical teams. So bama is just going to get a lot more slack than most other schools. It's going to have to be something so blatant that it can't be ignored before the NCAA would come down on Alabama.
LSU is no where near being on that list of favorites thus (wisely) the strictness of its compliance Department
LSU is no where near being on that list of favorites thus (wisely) the strictness of its compliance Department
Posted on 8/20/18 at 2:56 am to boxcar willie
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The thing is is that the NCAA looks at it as bad for business if they were to go after Alabama, just like the NBA with golden state. They feel they need these kind of historical teams. So bama is just going to get a lot more slack than most other schools. It's going to have to be something so blatant that it can't be ignored before the NCAA would come down on Alabama. LSU is no where near being on that list of favorites thus (wisely) the strictness of its compliance Department
LSU has to tread lightly or Emmert and his thugs will try to bring us down. There are going to be issues as long as that former hired gun for LSU now evil mutherfriker is in charge of the NCAA Bama will get away with murder. He needs to geaux! A nice juicy scandal would not hurt. In order to get to a fav list we need to win a few more NCS and SEC titles and Emmert and any one like him long gone.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 2:56 am to boxcar willie
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The thing is is that the NCAA looks at it as bad for business if they were to go after Alabama, just like the NBA with golden state. They feel they need these kind of historical teams. So bama is just going to get a lot more slack than most other schools. It's going to have to be something so blatant that it can't be ignored before the NCAA would come down on Alabama. LSU is no where near being on that list of favorites thus (wisely) the strictness of its compliance Department
LSU has to tread lightly or Emmert and his thugs will try to bring us down. There are going to be issues as long as that former hired gun for LSU now evil mutherfriker is in charge of the NCAA Bama will get away with murder. He needs to geaux! A nice juicy scandal would not hurt. In order to get to a fav list we need to win a few more NCS and SEC titles and Emmert and any one like him long gone.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 3:36 am to Westbank Hank
Winning equals recruits, and recruits equals winning. I didn't know that anyone on this site was aware of that. And by this boards standards. Pete Carroll wasn't supposed to get another Head coaching job after going 6-10 in his first job with the Jets. He won a National Championship and lost one, on the last play of the game. And he won a Super Bowl, and lost one on the last play of the game. Lucky that none of these dummies weren't in charge of hiring. Lucky that we have Joe Alleva, and Pete Carroll gave O a ringing endorsement. And is probably one of his mentors.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 5:16 am to BillyBobBlitzkrieg
The thing Pete Carroll and Nick Saban have in common is that they are both great recruiters other than that they don't have a lot in common as far as coaching goes. If Carroll would have stayed at USC instead of jumping to the NFL, he would be viewed,along with Nick Saban, as the co-greatest college coach ever and have just as many championships as Saban. Most every other aspect of Pete Carroll's coaching Style, other than recruiting, is the exact opposite of Saban's. Carroll is loose, player friendly, having fun with the players at practice, etc.
Point being there is nothing that other coaches need to emulate of Saban to be a great coach. There's nothing so special that he does or about him that makes him great other than his recruiting. Like Carroll he had the Jimmy & Joe's. Give pretty much any coach the same Jimmy and Joe's and the same support from SEC office and the NCAA, the same booster support of the players families, judges and police looking the other way, and all the money that he could ever want for facilities, and that coach is going to win just as many championships.
Saban just has the magic touch with recruits. Saban is the greatest college coach ever because of this.
Point being there is nothing that other coaches need to emulate of Saban to be a great coach. There's nothing so special that he does or about him that makes him great other than his recruiting. Like Carroll he had the Jimmy & Joe's. Give pretty much any coach the same Jimmy and Joe's and the same support from SEC office and the NCAA, the same booster support of the players families, judges and police looking the other way, and all the money that he could ever want for facilities, and that coach is going to win just as many championships.
Saban just has the magic touch with recruits. Saban is the greatest college coach ever because of this.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 5:43 am to boxcar willie
quote:This was true of Texas, they could recruit at will. But different outcome entirely. It is not just recruiting, but how you weave those recruits, mold them, shape them, and indoctrinate them into the winning team culture envisioned. This is an intangible quality that neither recruiting alone, nor Xs and Os alone can explain. Saban has it, Carroll, Bryant, and Spurrier (at UF).
Point being there is nothing that other coaches need to emulate of Saban to be a great coach. There's nothing so special that he does or about him that makes him great other than his recruiting. Like Carroll he had the Jimmy & Joe's. Give pretty much any coach the same Jimmy and Joe's and the same support from SEC office and the NCAA, the same booster support of the players families, judges and police looking the other way, and all the money that he could ever want for facilities, and that coach is going to win just as many championships.
Saban just has the magic touch with recruits. Saban is the greatest college coach ever because of this.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 5:52 am to Bamboozles
Put you’re name on it or shut up
Posted on 8/20/18 at 8:30 am to NawlinsTiger9
quote:NFL and college football are completely different games.
He's the GOAT CFB coach, but he's an NFL washout.
That just about tells you everything you need to know about the flaws in the college game.
The NFL strives for parity - that's why the draft is like it is, salary caps exist, and the schedules are adjusted based on last year's records.
Not to mention it's far different coaching multimillionaire players than college kids.
Some coaches are better college coaches - some are better pro coaches. Doesn't mean any of them are a "washout." Just means their style is more suited to one or the other.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 8:41 am to SmackDaniels
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Nothing to see here.
As hard as it was to spot Hootie & Cam smoking dope at 2:00AM, with a stolen pistol w/filed down serial #'s , there's still nothing to see here.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 8:44 am to JawjaTigah
quote:this is correct. It's one thing to bring in top recruits, but the coach still has to put all those pieces together to build a championship-level program.
It is not just recruiting, but how you weave those recruits, mold them, shape them, and indoctrinate them into the winning team culture envisioned. This is an intangible quality that neither recruiting alone, nor Xs and Os alone can explain. Saban has it, Carroll, Bryant, and Spurrier (at UF).
There are so many moving parts in football - it's far more than just recruiting.
But of course it all starts with recruiting.
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