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re: An example of “doing the ordinary things extraordinary”

Posted on 9/26/23 at 9:38 am to
Posted by geauxtigers33
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 9/26/23 at 9:38 am to
This isn’t on Swinson. It’s on Perkins as the unblocked defender he should see that Swinson has outside containment covered and should take away the inside rush lane. He allows himself to be blocked out of the play.

Posted by Not Cooper
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 9/26/23 at 9:38 am to
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This was Perkins mistake. He should have gone inside of Swinson with Swinson holding the edge. Your point about it doing too much is correct but in this case Perkins should have gone inside of Swinson and it would have resulted in a sack.



I have no words for this one boss.
Posted by Not Cooper
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 9/26/23 at 9:38 am to
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This isn’t on Swinson. It’s on Perkins as the unblocked defender he should see that Swinson has outside containment covered and should take away the inside rush lane. He allows himself to be blocked out of the play.



Another one
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
13307 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 9:41 am to
You posted this
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His job is to occupty the offensive tackle inside and prevent them from being in position to pick up the defensive tackle wrapping around

It looks like he has the tackle occupied to me. The tackle has inside leverage and just out muscles him and is able to push him back into Perk. The offensive tackle didn't "pick up" the defensive tackle in this case which you are saying is Perk.
Posted by Not Cooper
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 9/26/23 at 9:43 am to
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This isn’t on Swinson. It’s on Perkins as the unblocked defender he should see that Swinson has outside containment covered and should take away the inside rush lane.



This is where Swinson is when Perkins passes him. There is no “inside rush lane”.
Posted by geauxtigers33
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 9/26/23 at 9:44 am to
The guy that does the power hour film reviews went into detail on this play to explain it.

Which one do you think is easier to do? Be an engaged defender and trying to figure out which shoulder of the lineman to be on or being a free rusher on a stunt and be able to see where the open rush lane is?
Posted by Not Cooper
Member since Jun 2015
4929 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 9:44 am to
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It looks like he has the tackle occupied to me. The tackle has inside leverage and just out muscles him and is able to push him back into Perk. The offensive tackle didn't "pick up" the defensive tackle in this case which you are saying is Perk.

Look it’s ok to admit you don’t know what you’re talking about. He should not have tried to get upfield. It’s very clear from just watching he was trying to get upfield. He didn’t do his job. It’s that simple.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 9/26/23 at 9:45 am to
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That’s his whole job. Inside shoulder. Stay engaged

He’s trying to do too much. If he does his job it’s a sack. He tried “hard to make a play” and lost contain.


Here is the play live (1:22 mark). Swinson's first move is inside. He's still continuing to work inside as Perkins comes around him. Then it look like the LT drives him outside. Not completely that Swinson chose to to that route. Credit the LT for a good block.

But also watch Smith on the play. Contrary to popular belief, he's not actually getting double-teamed on the play (at least initially). He's getting completely blown out of the play by the LG immediately upon the snap. Then when Jefferson sees the lane in front of him watch Smith's effort (or lack thereof). Yes, he was getting double teamed at that point. But he shows no fight. HE was the one who was blown out of the play to create the lane up the middle.

Also not the time of game, 11:38 in the FIRST QUARTER and he already looks exhausted.


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This post was edited on 9/26/23 at 9:48 am
Posted by Not Cooper
Member since Jun 2015
4929 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 9:45 am to
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Which one do you think is easier to do? Be an engaged defender and trying to figure out which shoulder of the lineman to be on or being a free rusher on a stunt and be able to see where the open rush lane is?

He doesn’t have to figure that out. It’s the fricking play call. His job is to get to the inside shoulder. Done. Over. There’s no fricking debating this.
Posted by Not Cooper
Member since Jun 2015
4929 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 9:47 am to
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Here is the play live (1:22 mark). Swinson's first move is inside.

I mean yeah, I saw the play live. That’s kind of why I posted 5 screenshots of it.
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Then it look like the LT drives him outside. Not completely that Swinson chose to to that route.

Look at his legs and his hands. He’s still driving upfield and trying to get to the QB.
Posted by poochie
Houma, la
Member since Apr 2007
6763 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 9:52 am to
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LSU's "all world" DT is getting blown out of the play


look, we all agree he's not playing up to his previous capabilities but they literally blocked him with three guys on that play. wtf do you want?
Posted by KamaCausey_LSU
Member since Apr 2013
15998 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 10:03 am to
Great example of the "gap integrity" that everyone is taking about.

Seems like the defensive line is all about it the player and not teamwork/working as a unit. Swinson needs to hold strong and take away the inside running lane for Jefferson.
Posted by Not Cooper
Member since Jun 2015
4929 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 10:05 am to
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Seems like the defensive line is all about it the player and not teamwork/working as a unit. Swinson needs to hold strong and take away the inside running lane for Jefferson.

A lot of that may be due to them losing their position coach less than 30 days before the season. I still have hope we can clean it up. We have some dominant dudes up front.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 9/26/23 at 10:11 am to
I’m not challenging the concept as much as your “inside knowledge” that the kid did something wrong and ruined the play.

There were 3 tigers with their hands on KJ and they couldn’t finish the play. Blaming Swinson is kinda chicken shite IMO.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
32073 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 10:12 am to
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Look at his legs and his hands. He’s still driving upfield and trying to get to the QB.


We can agree to disagree. But what is he supposed to do? Just stop? He was working inside until to give Perkins a lane until the the LT turned him and blew him out of there. Really, I think this was just a good play by the LT to blow up what could have been a good play by LSU.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
13307 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 10:14 am to
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Look it’s ok to admit you don’t know what you’re talking about. He should not have tried to get upfield. It’s very clear from just watching he was trying to get upfield. He didn’t do his job. It’s that simple.

I get it man, you are trying to dig into every detail to show you know what you are talking about. That's fine, you're doing great.

Also, BK isn't catching heat for saying players need to do the little things correctly.
Posted by classicgold
bfe
Member since Feb 2017
6019 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 10:15 am to
Moral of the story is that we have a bunch of transfers that don’t quite trust each other to cover their own responsibilities. Everyone is trying to cover someone else’s job when they don’t need to. Hopefully they start to play together and it clicks for them over the next couple weeks.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
32073 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 10:17 am to
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ook, we all agree he's not playing up to his previous capabilities but they literally blocked him with three guys on that play. wtf do you want?


It wasn't 3 guys at first. On the snap the LG completely blew him off the ball...ALONE. The Center is there to help, but once he realizes the LG is easily handling him he peels off. Yes, Smith is out of the play. It happens. But then he shows very little effort to fight back in to the play.

Look, the reality is when you are hyped as the best player on the defense and one of the top NFL prospects you don't get the luxury of looking complete gassed 4 literally four minutes into the game.
Posted by DrEdgeLSU
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2006
8406 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 10:17 am to
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Note the downfield coverage. Nobody open. Sam in position to make a play after KJ got out the pocket. This is a great call by House and he should be off the field. Instead Swinson got greedy, Sam missed the open field tackle and Arkansas converts on 3rd and long.


This is the big thing that happens when QBs can extend plays. It's hard to keep guys covered for long periods of time; what people don't seem to realize is that these plays are timed and somewhat predictable, and when a QB scrambles everyone is improvising to get open, cover people, block people, etc. That's why people end up open.

Those 4-5 "almost sacks" were 100% correlated with guys being wide open downfield due to breakdowns both offensively and defensively. Those sacks may well have been the difference between 34-31 and 48-17.
Posted by Not Cooper
Member since Jun 2015
4929 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 10:17 am to
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But what is he supposed to do? Just stop?

I don’t know what the coaching point would be if he doesn’t get on the inside shoulder, but I do know the main point of this play is for him to get on the inside shoulder. You’d rather see him try to work back inside rather than continue to push upfield.
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