re: an anology for the people who want les gone.

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Name one coach who has ever turned down a job offered to him because he thought the previous coach should not have been fired.

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Name one coach that has actually come out and said anything real about why he turned down or accepted a job. Hell with most coaching jobs the schools don't even tell you who was offered. They just tell you the person that got the job was the first person offered...

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it was clear that 2007 was a fluke, and that now that Les didn't have Saban's players, the natural order of things was about to take its course.

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so what you're saying, is nick saban coached these guys in 2004, most for 2 years by that time and some for a year, les came in before the 05 year and told them, "guys, you're ready to win a nc. you've been coached by nick for god's sake. so you just hang out for the next 2 years, we're gonna let you win it in your senior year to make it more special."

by this comment, you're telling me that les didn't coach these guys a lick, didn't have to. they probably didn't even go to practice. probably just got drunk in tigerland everyday for 2 years, waitin to show everyone what nick taught them?

that must be what you're telling me, because the recruiting classes of les were on par with nick's.

that buddy, is absolutely the dumbest thing, and argument i've ever heard. and i get on here a lot, and believe me, i've heard some pretty stupid shite.

Look. It doesn't matter how you feel about Les Miles. He's our coach for 2010 and no amount of bitching is going to change that. Do we really have to spend the next 4 months debating if Les can turn it around or not? Can't we wait for the games to start to see if he does or not? Especially since there's nothing that's going to change between now and then...

What? We Can't? We have to discuss this incessantly even though everyone has clearly made up their mind? Oh... nevermind... my bad.

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That all looks great, to bad we play bowl games too which hurts your argument. They still count just as much.

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So you mean to tell me that, had the 2007 team lost the National Championship. you'd be willing to say that they were a worse team than the 2006 team that didn't even win their conference because their winning percentage was worse?

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I've gone through and listed many times on this board the numerous examples of controversial firings of coaches, both within the SEC and nationwide, which, if your argument were true, would make it nearly impossible for the school to get a good coach, but they did. Numerous examples. A shitload.

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if I recall, most of your examples were not really home-run hires, and most performed decent, but not really great.

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Regular Season Trend

+2, -1, even, -3, +2

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+2 in 2005? In the regular season?

2004: 9-2
2005: 10-1

That's +2?

-1 in 2006?

2005: 10-1 (10-2 if you count regular season as anything before the bowls)
2006: 10-2

At best that's -0.5

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If you could see it on a graph it would look like a lopsided W and we are on the UP swing.

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No, it would look like a fairly even line for a while (+1, -0.5, even), then a huge dip (-3), then a spike part of the way back up (+2).

When you count ALL the games (since they do all count), it looks like this...

+1.5, even, +0.5, -3, +1

Now, the so-called UP swing is neglible. An anomalous blip on an overall downward trend.

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As it stands, my only concern for 2010 is whether our QBs step up. If they do, we have the best team in the country.

If they are serviceable then we just have a shot to be the best team in the country.

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You are in dreamland. Drew Brees couldn't win a national championship on LSU's team this year, mainly because Crowton would probably be having him run the option.

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If, on the other hand, our QB play = 08 or most of 09 then we will probably lose a few games again.

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If they are anything like '08 or '09, we will have a losing season or very close to it.

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It is what it is, but the sky has not fallen and LSU is not some blind sister of the poor as the rant would have you believe.

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No, but we certainly need glasses and a better job.

Analogies are short this is an allegory.

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pointless and ridiculous analogy

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It makes sense to anyone who isn't still grieving love lost.
What doesn't make sense is "Miles won with Saban's players" analogy. That's the weakest crap ever.

The main reasons we have been down the past two years is the co-D coordinators and pick-6's in 2008 and no QB and terrible play-calling in 2009. Except for the defensive problemn in 2008, it all comes down to inexperience at QB for those two years. Yes, it is possible for an inexperienced QB to win an SEC, but those guys are few and far between. And, usually when they do win, it's because of an outstanding team around them. The QB's we have are not in that category.

if the qbs are the problem, who decides which qb gets playing time ? one more year of shitty play calling, and horrible decision making by our qbs will derail the miles train and get miles and crowton both fired regardless of the amount of the buyout. it appears jj has just about as much feel for the game as his previous seasons. who fades the blame for another year of flatass bad qb play ? .it's too bad miles can't just sit up in the stands and let assistants coach the game. anything more complicated than recruiting seems to go directly over his head. i would also think coaches would line up for a shot at the lsu coaching job. another 4 or 5 loss season will bring about big changes