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re: Am I the only one who finds it strange that they took JJ's DNA...
Posted on 8/27/11 at 9:40 pm to Tiger Authority
Posted on 8/27/11 at 9:40 pm to Tiger Authority
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It shouldn't be different because of the persons involved.
It IS different. it is always different when the IMF chief (NYC) or Paris Hilton (Hollywood) or the LSU QB (BR) is involved.
The BR police have their careers at stake. Remember OJ?
Yes, you do. All the people in that case were on TV. they were either winners or morons, publicly. no one wants to be the guy who blew the case because he didnt follow optimized procedures.
Any guy who blows a procedure will be lashed without mercy on TD and the Louisiana press. So... yes, its different when a famous person is involved or a famous issue.
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Posted on 8/27/11 at 9:42 pm to martiallaw
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These tests run anywhere from $500 to $1,000 per test. At 98 shoes this would have cost anywhere from $49,000 to $98,000. There is no way they ran a DNA test on each individual shoe.
Why do you think they cost that much? I could see a government agency billing another government agency in an interagency transfer this high amount, but if the BRPD is paying $500 per test, then they are getting rippped off - especially if that's the "bulk discount."
Posted on 8/27/11 at 9:44 pm to ottothewise
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It IS different. it is always different when the IMF chief (NYC) or Paris Hilton (Hollywood) or the LSU QB (BR) is involved.
So you're making comparisons of rape accusations of the possible future President of France to a guy in a bar fight in LA? So it's all relative to the celebrity in the particular location and the due process changes depending on the fame associated with certain figures?
I could understand DNA used in a rape accusation against JJ, but it's hard for me to understand it in this instance.
The BRPD's fear of looking impotent in this situation doesn't qualify as a reason to change their own procedure in enforcing the law.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 9:46 pm to CamdenTiger
Don't confuse blood and DNA. Luminol will show blood, but if you kicked someone with your shoe on their bare skin then DNA could transfer without blood being involved.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 9:59 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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Yes. It is common. Any investigation where DNA can be used as forensic evidence, then it is.
How often is it taken over college bar fights?
Posted on 8/27/11 at 9:59 pm to ottothewise
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It IS different. it is always different when the IMF chief (NYC) or Paris Hilton (Hollywood) or the LSU QB (BR) is involved.
The Team Sweep Meltdown is pathetic.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 10:00 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
I think what we have all missed is that the BRPD does not have the DNA test or the lab work on the shoes back yet. Look at the time line. They executed a search of JJ's apartment and took his DNA around noon on Thursday. They issued a warrant for his arrest on Friday morning. You're not gonna process 48 pairs of tennis shoes in 5 hours(and that's excluding the time it takes to check all of this into evidence in BR police department and transport to a lab) and DNA test take 5-10 days to get results back and that's rushing. They made arrests without knowing the results of these tests. So the question is why take them when they did?
This post was edited on 8/27/11 at 10:03 pm
Posted on 8/27/11 at 10:15 pm to MichiganTiger
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for an assault that resulted in all parties being treated and released from the hospital.
only thing I can think of is if he allegedly bit the dude or spit on him.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 10:17 pm to Y.A. Tittle
If its a factor and someone is filing a complaint and wanting to press charges, then its most likely used
Posted on 8/27/11 at 10:20 pm to A75CADDY
Who says they had to test all 49? They may have found one pair, with matching tread patterns and just tested them. Logging this and getting it to the lab would maybe take an hour. It is very possible for them to have gotten the results back that quick.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 10:24 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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How often is it taken over college bar fights?
How often is it taken when a crowd erupts in a fight at a public exit and allegedly the driver of a vehicle that was trying to leave gets beat down and his neck is broken?
Every. Time.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 10:25 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
This is getting very sad. You don't have to be happy about the JJ situation. Believe it or not, I don't think many of us are. Sure, some of us aren't going to turn a blind eye to someone making a dumbass move just because they are a QB at LSU.
Maybe the admin can make a separate board for this topic, because people who continually come here and complain when everyone else is ready to put this bs behind them and start talking football are doing nothing but making this board depressing. Some of us are ready to start being excited about the Oregon game, and we don't want to have to sift through "it's not fair" threads.
ps - It really says something about your character when you have gone from saying that "he's innocent" to "it's not fair how much effort they put into getting evidence that they think proves he isn't innocent."
I assure you the only reason the DA sent this to the Grand Jury is because of elections. I've said it once and ill say it one more time: the DA would have accepted this had it not been JJ.
Maybe the admin can make a separate board for this topic, because people who continually come here and complain when everyone else is ready to put this bs behind them and start talking football are doing nothing but making this board depressing. Some of us are ready to start being excited about the Oregon game, and we don't want to have to sift through "it's not fair" threads.
ps - It really says something about your character when you have gone from saying that "he's innocent" to "it's not fair how much effort they put into getting evidence that they think proves he isn't innocent."
I assure you the only reason the DA sent this to the Grand Jury is because of elections. I've said it once and ill say it one more time: the DA would have accepted this had it not been JJ.
This post was edited on 8/27/11 at 10:28 pm
Posted on 8/27/11 at 10:27 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
When you say matching a tread pattern? Do you mean a pattern found on the ground. Even if they do find a match this only says that JJ was at Shady's. It doesnt prove he kicked anyone. DNA still takes 5-10 days.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 10:30 pm to A75CADDY
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When you say matching a tread pattern? Do you mean a pattern found on the ground. Even if they do find a match this only says that JJ was at Shady's. It doesnt prove he kicked anyone
The tread patter was on one of the "victims."
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DNA still takes 5-10 days.
That really depends. I've gotten DNA tests done in 2 days, but I dont know who the BRPD uses and how far away they are or what kind of backlog they have.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 10:32 pm to EricB
I'm not complaining. Just trying to clear up some misconceptions. I'm as ready to move on and get away from all these conspiracy theories and other bull shite.
I never said he was innocent or anything was unfair. Why you attacking me on this?
Screw you guys. I'm going home
I never said he was innocent or anything was unfair. Why you attacking me on this?
Screw you guys. I'm going home
Posted on 8/27/11 at 10:33 pm to EricB
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I assure you the only reason the DA sent this to the Grand Jury is because of elections. I've said it once and ill say it one more time: the DA would have accepted this had it not been JJ.
The DA has not accepted the charges. This process will take 4-6 weeks. If he doesn't send it to a grand jury, which he's indicated he will. Then it will be a longer process.
If you don't like the topic, then don't post here. You chose to read this post. No one made you.
This post was edited on 8/27/11 at 10:34 pm
Posted on 8/27/11 at 10:35 pm to Fissionaccomplished
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How often is it taken when a crowd erupts in a fight at a public exit and allegedly the driver of a vehicle that was trying to leave gets beat down and his neck is broken?
Every. Time.
was the DNA used to match against a piece of evidence?
Posted on 8/27/11 at 10:36 pm to EricB
There is a piece to this that hasn't been discussed, I don't think.
The victim's attorney was contacted the Friday after the fight, and got involved.
I'm sure he spent the entire weekend talking to witnesses and doing his own investigation....collecting info, etc.
He said during his radio interview with Deke and Bobby that there were "many, many witnesses that came forward".
I mean, would you go after the starting QB for a major D1 school in your own town, knowing you could seriously derail a shot at a BCS NC....
unless you had a pretty solid case?
The victim's attorney was contacted the Friday after the fight, and got involved.
I'm sure he spent the entire weekend talking to witnesses and doing his own investigation....collecting info, etc.
He said during his radio interview with Deke and Bobby that there were "many, many witnesses that came forward".
I mean, would you go after the starting QB for a major D1 school in your own town, knowing you could seriously derail a shot at a BCS NC....
unless you had a pretty solid case?
Posted on 8/27/11 at 10:37 pm to ForeLSU
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was the DNA used to match against a piece of evidence?
I suppose if the truck driver's dna is on JJ's shoes, then that would be evidence.
I seriously doubt they found anything though.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 10:39 pm to Fissionaccomplished
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That really depends. I've gotten DNA tests done in 2 days, but I dont know who the BRPD uses and how far away they are or what kind of backlog they have.
Well they didnt wait two days. They also said that they would not rush any results for this case. That they would have to go through the normal process.
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