re: Am i the only one that liked Ensminger offense better than Canadas?

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I can get not liking Miles, especially his last few years. I never cared for his coaching style. But, it's hard to argue his overall record and his accomplishments when compared to what we have now. What I don't understand is O supporters that say stuff like "no one will hire Miles now" while only Alleva was looking to hire Orgeron. It just baffles me.

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I like Les the man. he seemed like a very decent guy that loved being a part of the program. I also think he does not get sufficient credit for the success he attained here. It did become clear that we were experiencing a decline and/or an inability to move the program back to contender status.

The team was built around a concept of essentially going head to head with opponents and hoping to wear them down. This would guarantee 8-9 wins at least just based on us being the more physical team, but any team that could match LSU physically was problematic because we would not outscheme them.

The question is, does the current staff have the ability to take that next step. Last season proved we could essentially do the same and beat teams we outmatch physically (Troy excluded). But, we still didn't see evidence of being able to outscheme an opponent.

So bottom line, O has not proven he can put a better product on the field yet. We'll see how he does in 2018 vs a tougher schedule then he had last year.

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The team was built around a concept of essentially going head to head with opponents and hoping to wear them down. This would guarantee 8-9 wins at least just based on us being the more physical team, but any team that could match LSU physically was problematic because we would not outscheme them.

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The problem sometimes when you've had a lot of success doing things one way is that you don't realize that there may be a better way of doing things later down the line. That was Miles' problem. He didn't evolve.

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Miles never won the big 12 and never even went the big 12 championship game. His record was 28-21, I guess thats technically a winning record. He only won 9 games once before coming to LSU and had just finished 7-5 before leaving

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OSU had 11 losing seasons the 12 years prior to Miles, in 4 seasons he had 3 winning seasons including a 9-3 his 3 rd year, he was in a division with OU and Texas when both were at a high level so hard to hold it against him for not winning the Conference or division.

While no slam dunk resume he was considered an up coming coach who was mentioned with other big jobs including Alabama when the ultimately went with Price. I certainly understand some skepticism when he was hired but not the amount of hate he got, especially after a successful first 3 years. 28-21 is 18
more wins and 3 less losses in 4 years than O had in 3 years at Ole Miss.

i don't remember him ever saying he would change the offense though. when asked after the 2015 atm game about it he responded the engine was "pretty damn strong". i think the fans lied to themselves a lot about what to expect going into 2016.

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“ last season proved we could essentially do the same” I don’t recall in the last 15 years or so where LSU got beat like a bad dog at a mediocre Mississippi State or embarrassed by a totally less talented Sun Belt conference team.

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Miss St was stronger than us up front on both sides, especially that game due to injuries, depth and inexperience on the OL.

I noted Troy as the outlier. Les also lost periodically to physically inferior teams, but Troy was obviously worse.

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I think constantly framing things as a choice between Miles or O is counterproductive and a big reason why we can’t have a rational discussion.

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That's how you can tell O loyalists are losing an argument, they throw out the "but Les did this" argument.

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“ Les also lost” I thought we fired Miles because he wasn’t living up to LSU expectations? Now, we want to say that a failed season is OK because the coach we fired had them too?? I think we need to forget bout a coach gone for 21 games and concentrate on the current coach and his successes and failures, but each to our own.

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Someone else was discussing Les and I added to the conversation. If you think I'm defending O you need to go back and re-read my posts on this page.

I stated that O is currently on the path Les was towards the end, but without Les' previous successful seasons and also noted the dishonesty of the OC search.

It's better to get a little context then cherry pick a few words out of a post. "les also lost" omitted: "periodically to inferior physical teams, but obviously Troy was worse"

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While no slam dunk resume he was considered an up coming coach who was mentioned with other big jobs including Alabama when the ultimately went with Price. I certainly understand some skepticism when he was hired but not the amount of hate he got,

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That was my point, he wasn't some superstar when we hired him. Up and coming, yes, but no slam dunk.

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Are you talking about late 90s Clemson or early 90s A&M?

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You are a negative jerk and fail to realize that in every profession, leaders evolve, and they evolve their craft. Coach E offense will surprise you, and is going to be West Coast Pro Style. 2 years ago he demonstrated with Cam's offense that he could turn it into high octane. The offense will be fine.