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re: Alleva has denied Wade a golden opportunity

Posted on 3/25/19 at 11:41 pm to
Posted by LSUNV
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Posted on 3/25/19 at 11:41 pm to
Not really, his employer never gave him a one on one to gauge the facts instead they just assumed Guilt and called the NCAA. The only people defending this shite show either work in the LSU administration or have already assigned guilt. Either way this has grossly been mishandled
This post was edited on 3/25/19 at 11:43 pm
Posted by CBandits82
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Posted on 3/25/19 at 11:45 pm to
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It's probably a bad defensive strategy to resort to the "but they were doing it too" excuse. We (as LSU fans) need to focus on the integrity of our program because pointing fingers at others usually doe not work well.


Yea, lets be shitty in basketball for eternity and be handicapped from making a run.

But hey, we got the integrity thing going for us right?
Posted by CBandits82
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Posted on 3/25/19 at 11:52 pm to
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I refuse to accept cheating as "status quo" because others may be cheating (in all sports).


Then you are denying reality.
Posted by CBandits82
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Posted on 3/25/19 at 11:54 pm to
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BB is not that big of a deal.



Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
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Posted on 3/26/19 at 12:00 am to
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ETA: I will also give you some friendly advice. Let’s pretend you are ever in a position of authority, and your employee has done something questionable that you must set the record straight on before your company can move forward, and that employee refuses to meet with you because the owner of the company wants to be present in this said meeting. How do you think that’ll work out for that employee?

Well, in fairness, when said employee makes more than his “boss” and the “owner of the company” and has a $10MM buyout, that changes the game A LOT. You think if Nick Saban found himself in the same position anyone would have the balls to suspend him unless they had grounds to fire him? Fact is, the day Smart was cleared was the same day Will Wade should have been cleared. If the NCAA finds anything more down the road, so be it. Makes no logical sense now to play Smart and continue to suspend Wade.
This post was edited on 3/26/19 at 12:04 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 3/26/19 at 12:06 am to
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I refuse to accept cheating as "status quo"
You also refuse to accept the fact that Smart was reinstated.
You refuse to accept the fact that, by extension, Smart's reinstatement should give pause to "Ready-Fire-Aim!" folks like yourself.
You refuse to accept the fact that we do not know the entire story.
Posted by lsufball19
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Posted on 3/26/19 at 12:15 am to
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might have occurred" The institution is not required to conduct an investigation which ends with a conclusion. If LSU determines the Yahoo report is serious enough to think a violation "might have occurred" (especially since WW refused to address the issue), then LSU self reports to the NCAA. The NCAA is so serious about this issue they now have ways for the institution to "self-report" violations online. The NCAA is clear in the rules manual they (NCAA) want to be the investigatory body.


Yes LSU has to report possible violations to NCAA enforcement and yes that means cooperating with enforcement. However, it wasn’t NCAA enforcement that requested to be at the meeting. LSU compliance went out of their way to invite them. There is nothing in the NCAA bylaws that says the school must invite the NCAA to partake in their initial fact gathering. A more prudent step would have been for LSU to have informed the NCAA that they would be conducting an internal investigation into the matter and would provide to the NCAA a full report once that investigation was complete. Instead, Alleva decided not only to take the most extreme measures possible, but he did so in a manner that cast an implication of guilt on Wade before all the facts were available and/or known or even enough facts to make any sort of determination. Alleva was also completely tone deaf (and continues to be) as to the outside factors affecting Wade and preventing him from discussing the issue with them right now in the manner in which said discussion has been proposed by Alleva. One does not have to create an adversarial relationship with the coach to remain in compliance with the NCAA bylaws. The initial suspension of Wade and Smart for the Vandy game were justifiable and understandable, but the continued suspension is not when the player implicated has been cleared to play, for now, by LSU officials.
This post was edited on 3/26/19 at 12:27 pm
Posted by LSUNV
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Posted on 3/26/19 at 5:15 am to
Thx bud! You put it better than I did
Posted by eugene1928LSU
Shreveport, La
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Posted on 3/26/19 at 5:34 am to
No he hasn't wade denied himself this opportunity. Someone own actions can't be blamed on others he's his own man or supposed to be.
Posted by Snipe
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Posted on 3/26/19 at 5:34 am to
How surprised will you all be when after the season when the two headed idiot monster fires Wade and he ends up at Alabama?

Kicking the shite out of LSU for the next 15 or so years.



Pretend you're Will Wade and make an argument for why you would want to stay at LSU if you have a path to be bought out of your contract or are fired.

(fwiw I know this will be difficult for some people to remove their purple and gold filter and look at this objectively but not impossible if you try.)
This post was edited on 3/26/19 at 6:54 am
Posted by dgnx6
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Posted on 3/26/19 at 5:37 am to
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Nobody with half a brain has a conversation on the phone and uses dialogue of that natu


You haven't even heard the tape.
Posted by That LSU Guy
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Posted on 3/26/19 at 5:38 am to
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BB is not that big of a deal.
Posted by dgnx6
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Posted on 3/26/19 at 5:39 am to
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Yes LSU has to report possible violations to ncaa enforcement and yes that means cooperating with enforcement. However, it wasn’t NCAA enforcement that requested to be at the meeting. LSU compliance went out of there way to invite them. There is nothing in the NCAA bylaws that says the school must invite the NCAA to partake in their initial fact gathering. A more prudent step would be for LSU to inform the NCAA that they are conducting an internal investigation into the matter and will provide to them a full report once that investigation is complete.


And honestly the admins are just as guilty since they knew about this shite last year.
Posted by Solo Cam
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 3/26/19 at 5:53 am to
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I hope you didn't hurt yourself with that stretch.

Let me guess: Harvard Law school.

Let me guess: You’re going to continue to deflect because you know he would win.
Posted by Icansee4miles
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Posted on 3/26/19 at 6:56 am to
Interestingly, for the state agencies I deal with, if I bring a lawyer to a meeting, I have to tell them in advance so they can have one present. Agency policy. Isn’t LSU a subdivision of the state?

Beyond that, he didn’t refuse to meet with his boss 1:1, he refused to meet with his boss and a cadre of others seeking to do him harm.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 3/26/19 at 7:23 am to
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Beyond that, he didn’t refuse to meet with his boss 1:1, he refused to meet with his boss and a cadre of others seeking to do him harm.
He didn't even do that. He assented to a private 1:1 meeting, and simply requested that any interrogation by the cadre be delayed until after his Federal testimony. He did not refuse to meet anyone.
Posted by RazzleDazzle
New Orleans
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Posted on 3/26/19 at 8:55 am to
You are a frickng moron and do not know the facts a-hole
Posted by Irish LSU Fan
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Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 3/26/19 at 9:11 am to
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his employer never gave him a one on one to gauge the facts

One on one is not necessary/required in order to to get information. If you get caught on an FBI wiretap saying incriminating things to a criminal, you don't have the right to expect/demand how you will meet with your employer.
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they just assumed Guilt and called the NCAA

Not sure they (LSU) assumed guilt. LSU assumed possible violations had occurred and reported this to the NCAA as they were contractually required.
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The only people defending this shite show either work in the LSU administration or have already assigned guilt.

I don't work for LSU. Also, I have not assigned "guilt" to WW. It needs to be investigated by the NCAA so we can move forward. I am one of those that believe the FBI wiretaps are incriminating enough (coupled with WW's refusal to meet with LSU/NCAA as he is contractually REQUIRED to do) to warrant the suspension.
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Either way this has grossly been mishandled

WW left LSU with very few choices, and all of them were bad (leaving WW in his position to coach the tournament was not an option).
Posted by shel311
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 3/26/19 at 9:52 am to
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If you were a potential witness in a federal trial and this meeting was about details about said federal trial WITH a third party, you’d still expect to be fired, or would you grow a set of testicles and use your rights?
That doesn't make any sense, fwiw.

The 2 aren't mutually exclusive like you think they are, hence, your post not making sense.

Back to the hypothetical, I would use my rights and stay silent...and I would expect to be fired for not meeting w/my boss.
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/26/19 at 10:40 am to
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Back to the hypothetical, I would use my rights and stay silent...and I would expect to be fired for not meeting w/my boss.




LSU admin had a choice in how to handle this matter. There's no rule that says they had to suspend him. They could've opted for leniency knowing the legal implications for WW.

I think most simply feel that LSU admin have handled this in a heavy-handed, clumsy manner, which is par for the course for them based on past events.
This post was edited on 3/26/19 at 10:42 am
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