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re: Alleva Called Out in the Revielle

Posted on 5/9/11 at 11:13 am to
Posted by Microtiger
Ithaca, New York
Member since Nov 2010
1435 posts
Posted on 5/9/11 at 11:13 am to
Man, we really need to "alleva"iate this problem
Posted by GroundsKeeperWillie
Houston
Member since Jan 2011
680 posts
Posted on 5/9/11 at 11:14 am to
I blame JJ and Lee for everything. :)
Posted by TigerTreyjpg
Monroe, LA
Member since Jun 2008
5815 posts
Posted on 5/9/11 at 11:40 am to
At least no one's been arrested for rape.
Posted by timlan2057
In the Shadow of Tiger Stadium
Member since Sep 2005
18647 posts
Posted on 5/9/11 at 12:01 pm to
Let's see if I can wrap my poor tired brain around this.

On the one hand, he gets on Alleva's arse because he paid too much for Caldwell--he spent TOO MUCH money on a "non revenue sport."

On the other hand, he gets on Alleva's arse because all he does is spend money on the "big" sports,while the pool and other venues for the "non-revenue sports" are inadequate. He gets on his arse because he spends TOO LITTLE money on non-revenue sports.

Thanks for posting this.

This is a good example of the slip-shod, self-contradictory "journalism" I've come to expect from The Reveille.

I've read sports columnists in high school papers who had a better grasp of issues.

In other words, this article fits right in on the Rant.

The author is a typical rantard.
This post was edited on 5/9/11 at 12:03 pm
Posted by dos crystal
Georgia
Member since Aug 2008
4804 posts
Posted on 5/9/11 at 12:16 pm to
quote:

Alleva said. “LSU is a special place and I thank our great fans for their support and passion. Our goals continue to be to win championships, prepare our student-athletes for the rest of their lives and provide a formula for the future of LSU Athletics. I truly look forward to the years ahead.”


why are you evaluating him only on the first goal? do you have information documenting the poor performance of the other two?

joe alleva can receive blame for johnson and the b.b. performance for the last two years. that's about it. he's made two hire's. johnson's fate will be determined this year. he took appropriate action with van and hired what most people think is a home run in caldwell. softball is pending.

skip hired the other guys, he deserves the blame for them. alleva didn't hire them and he doesn't coach.

lastly, the reason you extend him is so you can continue to attract quality coaches. (caldwell is the example) if you think a coach worth their salt is going to leave a good gig to come to a gig where they may not know who their boss will be, your mistaken.

coaches know, if they didn't hire you, you aren't their guy/woman.

we will know a lot more about j alleva in the next three years than the past three. there isn't enough to totally evaluate him on at this time.
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 5/9/11 at 12:27 pm to
quote:

why are you evaluating him only on the first goal?


Because HE made that his "First Goal"

I have many goals for my job and they are prioritized. If I do great at goals 4-10 and fail at 1-3 I would be fired.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
67975 posts
Posted on 5/9/11 at 12:28 pm to
He was talking about money for facilities dealing with smaller sports.

Not salaries.
Posted by dos crystal
Georgia
Member since Aug 2008
4804 posts
Posted on 5/9/11 at 12:47 pm to
quote:

Because HE made that his "First Goal"

I have many goals for my job and they are prioritized. If I do great at goals 4-10 and fail at 1-3 I would be fired.


yeah, but your evaluating on ONLY the first goal.

what your saying is if your first goal isn't met, then all others do not matter. in your job, if you make 9 out of 10 i'm sure you get a good raise.

we all know he's evaluated on generating revenue and maintaining lsu athletics profitable. therefore, he could be making 3-4. And, it depends on what you define as winning championships.

if you are saying only football, baseball, basketball count, then you may have a valid point. if lsu is winning championship, s.e.c., tourny, and national championships, in other sports, then your evaluation is severly flawed.

i do know they have two baseball tournament "championships" under alleva. i don't pay enough attention to know if they have track, soccer, volleyball, golf, ect.
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 5/9/11 at 12:55 pm to
quote:

This is a good example of the slip-shod, self-contradictory "journalism" I've come to expect from The Reveille.


I don't know how they still get readers.
Posted by Mac
Forked Island, USA
Member since Nov 2007
14741 posts
Posted on 5/9/11 at 12:58 pm to
quote:

He was talking about money for facilities dealing with smaller sports.

Not salaries.








No, he was talking about overall support for non-revenue sports.


Posted by Mac
Forked Island, USA
Member since Nov 2007
14741 posts
Posted on 5/9/11 at 1:00 pm to
And since when is such blatant sarcasm acceptable in "journalism"?

quote:

And then there's Alleva's undying love of the non-revenue sports.


The Daily Reveille: Raising Standards, Busting Balls.
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 5/9/11 at 1:05 pm to
quote:

what your saying is if your first goal isn't met, then all others do not matter. in your job, if you make 9 out of 10 i'm sure you get a good raise.


So if I am an air traffic controller and my #1 goal is to make sure all planes land safely and my #2 goal is to fill out the appropriate paperwork and goal #3 is to dress professional.

If I do #2 and #3 very well and suck at #1 I will get a raise?

What LSU AD in the past 15 years did NOT make money and provide pretty much the same educational background for its student athletes?

The only thing that has been different amongst AD is the winning %'s of the ADs. Joe Dean was the AD for 14 years but will always be remembered for that 11 year span in football with 8 losing seasons.

I cant find anything in his Bio that talks about the education of the athletes during his time. I cant find anything in his bio that talks about how much money he made for the university.

Funny the only thing talked about is in bio is how the LSU teams performed while he was AD..
Posted by jimithing11
Dillon, Texas
Member since Mar 2011
22512 posts
Posted on 5/9/11 at 1:10 pm to
Technically, there are no such things as non-revenue sports nowadays. Everything is pretty much non-revenue, with the exception of football. LSU and a hand full of others AD's nationwide are making a nice profit. All other programs struggle to get by.

Alleva deserves some credit in churning out a profit year in and year out, but that's about it
Posted by ninthward
Boston, MA
Member since May 2007
21399 posts
Posted on 5/9/11 at 1:16 pm to
You have to donate if we struggle especially in the lower tier sports.
Posted by LSU Red24
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2007
4769 posts
Posted on 5/9/11 at 1:18 pm to
I'm surprised there are people who DONT think she's being overpayed.

Solid column.

FYI opinions are allowed in columns, not news stories.
Posted by dos crystal
Georgia
Member since Aug 2008
4804 posts
Posted on 5/9/11 at 1:28 pm to
quote:

What LSU AD in the past 15 years did NOT make money and provide pretty much the same educational background for its student athletes?

The only thing that has been different amongst AD is the winning %'s of the ADs. Joe Dean was the AD for 14 years but will always be remembered for that 11 year span in football with 8 losing seasons.


you answered your own question. how you think he was a.d. for 14 Years? because of his win %? he kept the athletic department profitable!

p.s. bob broadhead hired bill arnsparger, skip bertman, dale brown was at his peak under him, and pat henry. they won the bernie moore trophy under him. check out his bio. see if he made it 14 years.

obviosly winning championships isn't the main thing a a.d. is evaluated on! pat henry and skip won more during their time than all the coaches after them combined! :rotflmao:
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 5/9/11 at 2:07 pm to
Are you serious?

Dean was a good ole LSU boy thats what he was kept until it was unbearable. He was a disaster for LSU sports but making money wasnt what kept him around either..

Bob Broadhead was a much better AD but his wire tapping crap was the end of him. You also left out where he promoted Archer when people like Spurrier and Shanahan wanted the job.

If any AD can actually be attributed to MAKING MONEY for LSU it would be Broadhead though. He is the one that actually started making LSU profitable. His tenure was certainly shorter than Dean.

Who is on the BOS and their personal agendas play a big role in LSU sports.
This post was edited on 5/9/11 at 2:29 pm
Posted by dos crystal
Georgia
Member since Aug 2008
4804 posts
Posted on 5/9/11 at 2:33 pm to
quote:

Are you serious?


yep

quote:

Dean was a good ole LSU boy thats what he was kept until it was unbearable. He was a disaster for LSU sports but making money wasnt what kept him around either..


wrong. (i agree he was a disaster for lsu sports but making money IS wht kept him around.)

quote:

Bob Broadhead was a much better


agreed.

[quote]If any AD can actually be attributed to MAKING MONEY for LSU it would be Broadhead though. He is the one that actually started making LSU profitable. /quote]



wrong again. here's an article that supports it. i marked the points in bold so you don't have to read it all.




By Sheldon Mickles

Like many other aspects of sports, the job of athletic director at a major university like LSU evolved dramatically from the time Joe Dean graduated in 1952 to when he returned to his alma mater in 1987.

But as a former athlete who became a successful businessman and TV basketball broadcaster, Dean was well-qualified to take a position where the bottom line on the financial ledger had become as important as the bottom line on the playing field.

Dean, however, didn't know how deep a hole the LSU athletic department was in when he was talked into succeeding Bob Brodhead in the spring of 1987.

It hit Dean when he learned the department he was inheriting after a stint as the vice president of Converse Shoes - whose pitchmen at the time included Julius Erving, Magic Johnson and Larry Bird - was broke.

"Things were out of whack," Dean said. "People seemed to be doing whatever they wanted, there was no discipline, the budget structure wasn't adhered to."

So Dean rolled up his sleeves and went to work, trimming the fat wherever he could. At the same time, having been a star basketball player for the Tigers from 1948-52, he was mindful of the proud tradition of LSU sports.

In almost 14 years as the chief executive officer of the LSU athletic department, Dean had to try to keep his coaches happy while massaging the budget.

Not all of his decisions were popular with the coaches or fans, of course. But LSU athletics not only turned a profit while Dean oversaw expansion and the upgrading of the physical plant, they provided millions of dollars in donations to the university's academic side.
This post was edited on 5/9/11 at 2:35 pm
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 5/9/11 at 2:45 pm to
You do know that before Broadhead LSU didnt even make money off of concessions in Tiger Stadium right? You think Broadhead was going to turn the crap he had come into and gain a profit in just over 4 years?

Did you really just post an article that was about Joe Dean giving himself a pat on the back as your proof?

You article fails to mention how connected Dean was in the good ole boy network which preserved his job through some horrid seasons.

This post was edited on 5/9/11 at 2:48 pm
Posted by dos crystal
Georgia
Member since Aug 2008
4804 posts
Posted on 5/9/11 at 2:59 pm to
quote:

You do know that before Broadhead LSU didnt even make money off of concessions in Tiger Stadium right? You think Broadhead was going to turn the crap he had come into and gain a profit in just over 4 years?


is this not your quote?

"If any AD can actually be attributed to MAKING MONEY for LSU it would be Broadhead though. He is the one that actually started making LSU profitable. " catman 88
This post was edited on 5/9/11 at 3:06 pm
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